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X3b, X3c, or X3d?
Well, I downloaded my X3 license a few weeks ago but I've been on the fence about installing it, still on X2a and stalking the various X3 forum posts about this issue and that. I'm anxious to try the new X3 comping workflow but I'm unsure on which X3 patch to dive in. It looks like maybe a couple things went south in X3c? I could install X3b and hang out there or I could wait for X3d. Those with both X3b and X3c experience, what do you think? Have many X3c folks rolled back to X3b or are you riding out the various new niggles in X3c?
It's difficult to tell just how many satisfied X3 users there are at the moment, could be loads because they're probably off recording music instead of hanging out here on the board. ;-)
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 20:00:29
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I have had no issues with X3c. I know some people have but it works fine here.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 20:08:57
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I've also had no issues with X3, although I disabled the 64-bit engine because some people reported issues.
The easy answer is install X3b, set a system restore point, then install X3c. If you have any issues, go back to X3b. I suspect, however, that you'll do fine with X3c.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 21:03:34
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bitSync
Well, I downloaded my X3 license a few weeks ago but I've been on the fence about installing it, still on X2a and stalking the various X3 forum posts about this issue and that. I'm anxious to try the new X3 comping workflow but I'm unsure on which X3 patch to dive in. It looks like maybe a couple things went south in X3c? I could install X3b and hang out there or I could wait for X3d. Those with both X3b and X3c experience, what do you think? Have many X3c folks rolled back to X3b or are you riding out the various new niggles in X3c?
It's difficult to tell just how many satisfied X3 users there are at the moment, could be loads because they're probably off recording music instead of hanging out here on the board. ;-)
I'm still on X3a. I updated to X3b but had many crashes, rolled back to X3a, waiting for X3c. With all the problems reported on X3c, I decided to stay with X3a. Why update? Any new features? I'm a happy camper with X3a and I use it everyday with no issues. Walt
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 21:04:04
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I only just installed X3 and I immediately put on X3C and disabled the 64 bit engine before I even ran it. The only issues I came across were to do with my own configuration and third party software (which didn't effect X2A), and not Sonar which I managed to resolve in 24 hours. To be honest I was half expecting it.
I totally recommend X3C.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 21:22:11
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It's also worth noting that many of the issues are isolated incident, so the ddds are you won't experience them. Remember, people rarely go to forums to post "Hi, I'm currently working on a project, and just thought I'd take a few minutes to post that everything's working."
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 21:37:20
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I have no issue with X3 C. I really like it.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/20 21:44:52
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A restore point is so SIMPLE. A rollback is SIMPLE. Fear not the X3C!
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 01:53:43
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+1 on the advice here, you can set restore points for each patch if you like... and leave X2a installed.
X3c has a lot of fixes in it, and the only common "bugs" directly from it seem to be related to the 64-bit Double Precision Engine, so uncheck that one when playing around.
The new comping is a MASSIVE plus in X3.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 03:31:39
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I agree with the consensus here - X3c running well here. Mind you, so did X3a and X3b.
I also unchecked the 64 bit double precision engine for now until Cake fix the issues with the Console Emulator and Quad Curve EQ.
Install X3, it's fantastic.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 03:55:02
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No problems here with X3a, b or c Except I cannot find the talent plugin anywhere 
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 08:00:14
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Bristol_Jonesey
No problems here with X3a, b or c Except I cannot find the talent plugin anywhere
Reset and rescan your plugins. Feel the force flowing through you.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 08:07:01
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Ah, I knew I was missing something. Thanks 
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 08:18:28
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Bristol_Jonesey
No problems here with X3a, b or c
Except I cannot find the talent plugin anywhere
Hey, where did you find the 'talent' plugins  ..... I need some of those.... I hope that they come in 64 bit??????
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 08:21:59
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Maybe I should be looking for 128 bit 'talent' plugins, as I need all the help I can get.........
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 08:33:39
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I`m on X3c 64bit no problems with my workflow,working and making music,how it should be.Go for it.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 10:45:22
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X3c here and with disabled 64 bit audio engine I am having no issues.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 10:46:35
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OK, thanks everybody. You've bolstered my courage. My plans for Saturday are set - X3c!
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 10:58:20
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Go for it.
Back up your system BEFORE you start.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:17:37
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no problems here - working very smooth (X3c)
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:27:29
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Besides the issue with the 64-bit engine being enabled, X3c has been very stable and we've received positive feedback on it. I would go for X3c.
And we are currently busy working on X3d, which will fix the 64-bit engine issue.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:30:31
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hockeyjx
A restore point is so SIMPLE. A rollback is SIMPLE. Fear not the X3C!
I actually use Panu's Duckbar for restore points within Sonar. It acts like regular system restore but only restores Sonar. I have both X3 b and c installed and I can switch between the two. Duckbar makes Sonar soooo much better! Thanks again Panu!! (quick edit-Duckbar restore takes about 15 seconds as opposed to a full system restore which takes 10 or 15 minutes. Just sayin')
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:41:13
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Personally, with the more frequent updates we're getting in X3, this is a positive swing in direction. What it means is that, when/if there is an issue or new feature, the next version isn't too far away and we are more likely to see a more incremental fix. I'm a fan of more frequent updates. Even though the letter following the X(n) version may creep up higher than one would hope for, it does routinely show Cakewalk is on top of making fixes and updates.
So, I don't sell this short. With that said, if X3b is working fine and you experience an issue with X3c, then wait for X3d. It's also nice that these updates are comprehensive, meaning you can install X3a and go directly to X3c. I like that. The main thing I focus on is not which version I'm on, but rather, how well I'm able to work. If the DAW isn't in my way, I'm happy. Newer updates may fix bugs I've yet to run into, but I'm ok with that!
Here's to great times!
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:51:53
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Besides the issue with the 64-bit engine being enabled, X3c has been very stable and we've received positive feedback on it. I would go for X3c.
And we are currently busy working on X3d, which will fix the 64-bit engine issue.
So to answer my question, if the 64-bit engine works fine in X3a, and X3a is very stable for me, what "features" would I see by updating to X3c? Just bug fixes that I don't need? I'm just have too much fun with X3a to update for the sake of updating. Walt
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 11:59:32
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http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/product.aspx/SONAR-X3 If you click on an update, the bug fixes are listed on the patch download page for each. If you are running smooth with X3a, there is no "need" to update. X3b and X3c did resolve a lot of issues that had been noted, and disabling the 64-bit Double Precision Engine is nothing "major." Craig's point is very valid, in that folks often post here only when they have issues. The ones who are running smoothly are spending more time making music (which is a good sign).
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 12:06:49
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Besides the issue with the 64-bit engine being enabled, X3c has been very stable and we've received positive feedback on it. I would go for X3c.
And we are currently busy working on X3d, which will fix the 64-bit engine issue.
So to answer my question, if the 64-bit engine works fine in X3a, and X3a is very stable for me, what "features" would I see by updating to X3c? Just bug fixes that I don't need?
I'm just have too much fun with X3a to update for the sake of updating.
Walt
The issue with the 64-bit engine was introduced in X3c. So you could update to X3b if you use the 64-bit engine. There was a lot of VST3 compatibility fixes and other features. They are listed in the knowledge base articles.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 12:12:08
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Besides the issue with the 64-bit engine being enabled, X3c has been very stable and we've received positive feedback on it. I would go for X3c.
And we are currently busy working on X3d, which will fix the 64-bit engine issue.
So to answer my question, if the 64-bit engine works fine in X3a, and X3a is very stable for me, what "features" would I see by updating to X3c? Just bug fixes that I don't need?
I'm just have too much fun with X3a to update for the sake of updating.
Walt
Doesn't everyone need bug fixes? You don't know what's being fixed........
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 21:18:55
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WallyG
I'm just have too much fun with X3a to update for the sake of updating.
The Force is strong in this one. The whole point is making music. If something's working for you, great! I upgraded to X3c because I need to be on top of things, but if I was still on the original X3, I'd still be making music. X3c did fix a few things that mattered to me, so it was worth it.
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Re: X3b, X3c, or X3d?
2013/11/21 21:23:10
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WallyG
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Besides the issue with the 64-bit engine being enabled, X3c has been very stable and we've received positive feedback on it. I would go for X3c.
And we are currently busy working on X3d, which will fix the 64-bit engine issue.
So to answer my question, if the 64-bit engine works fine in X3a, and X3a is very stable for me, what "features" would I see by updating to X3c? Just bug fixes that I don't need?
I'm just have too much fun with X3a to update for the sake of updating.
Walt
Doesn't everyone need bug fixes? You don't know what's being fixed........
Yup I hope we get to see the bugs in the next patch.... ... Er hang on ;)
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