conanliquid
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X3c Update Roll back
I installed the new update and had all sorts of problems. I am running Windows 7 64bit. Once I installed it I had a total nightmare with my plug ins list. I have never before come up against the CLSID problem before but every time I tried to open a synth or FX I had it in spades. And weird random things like renaming dll's. My Trillian plug in had been renamed for instance. I could only open one instance of any Waves plug in. I had to reboot if I wanted to open a different Waves plug in. If I opned T-Racks CS standalone it would then crash my sound card drivers and I would have to uninstall and reinstall. Anyway I uninstalled and reinstalled X3 up to the X3 b update and now everything seems back to normal. Mental weirdness. Any one else had any totally random weird problems with X3c?
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Lynn
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 11:53:09
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There have been a few problems with X3c. Use your system restore to go back to your previous version. It takes about 10 minutes or so.
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conanliquid
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 12:48:11
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Thanks Lynn, I have done that now. Fingers crossed all seems to be ok again. Very odd.
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:21:28
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I had to roll back to x3b as well (using system restore).
In x3c some of my projects would just lock up (had to close them using task manager), some worked normally, but most would play some tracks but not others.
The tracks that would not play any audio would give a loud pop when I would first hit play and the meter for that track would show 9 db in the red. If I deleted all pluggins and prochannel effects sometimes it would work for a while.
I tried tracking it down to specific plugins, but it was too random (besides a couple voxengo plugins, Kontakt, and Guitar Rig, I'm using mostly Effects from Sonar).
This is on Windows 8.1 AMD system with a MR816x using AISO
Buffer settings, or switching to WDM made no difference.
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:23:55
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It's amazing but I haven't experienced any of the problems people have been talking about with X3c. Funny to think how different our experiences all are. As for your plugins being renamed, you can set the naming convention in your initialization file. See here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013302
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:31:02
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+1 sharke...not one issue on my system either. Everything ran exactly as before, I even managed to import some older CWB data with no issues! I suspect (and all due respect to posters) that perhaps the issues are with systems rather than CW. What else would explain the many differences, and why the vast majority of upgraders have no problems. Stands to reason doesn't it - I mean there must have been thousands of upgrade downloads already, but, relatively, only a handful of folks with issues. And I guess it is human nature to not fully admit what someone has tweaked without knowledge, to avoid embarrassment. I come across it all the time in repairing PC systems for folk. They swear black and blue they have touched nothing and done nothing, but it always ends up with a sheepish admission usually after a couple of hours of problem hunting and elimination  . Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar.
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:44:11
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joden
And I guess it is human nature to not fully admit what someone has tweaked without knowledge, to avoid embarrassment. I come across it all the time in repairing PC systems for folk. They swear black and blue they have touched nothing and done nothing, but it always ends up with a sheepish admission usually after a couple of hours of problem hunting and elimination . Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar.
I would be glad to admit messing up my system:-) besides setting things up to use a high performance power plan, and making sure I'm not having cores parking on me, this is a clean install of Windows 8 from just before x3 came out. I since have updated to windows 8.1 with no problems. X3 has been the best version of Sonar for me up until this patch. I might have been sleep tweaking or something - if I remember anything I might have done, I will definitely update this post. The only other thing I have done is use ccleaner to clean the registry, but I think that was before the windows 8.1 update. I once got into a problem with tweaking things (turning off services) that messed up how Sonar handled the naming of plugins, so on this install, I stayed clear of that stuff.
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:50:05
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One more small piece of info - The projects that gave me the most grief on X3c were older projects that I started from templates from x1 days. I don't know if this has any bearing on things, but my newer projects were the ones that worked fine with X3c.
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PeterMc
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:52:05
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Just a thought - did you reinstall Sonar after upgrading to Win8.1? If not, might be worth a try.
Cheers, Peter.
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 14:58:05
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PeterMc
Just a thought - did you reinstall Sonar after upgrading to Win8.1? If not, might be worth a try.
Cheers, Peter.
I didn't try that - Ill give it a shot some time in the next couple days.
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 15:10:57
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Solafide
[.........The only other thing I have done is use ccleaner to clean the registry, but I think that was before the windows 8.1 update.......
This app is well known to, oft-times cause damage to OS systems. It is recommended to NOT use apps like this unless you are prepared to cross -check every listing it pops up. I am not saying it HAS caused your issues, but I would be quite su****ious that it has altered something. Why would you want to use it anyway if you had just performed a "clean" W8 install? PS: How does "susspicous" get blocked by the forum bots that is a new one!!!
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joden
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 15:14:50
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Just to add, that the days of needing to "tweak" out Windows for audio purposes are long gone  . Windows 7 and now 8 are pretty much rock-solid o.o.t.b. now. Running the Power Performance tweaks are about all you need to do, as well as disabling the selective USB suspend, and also disabling the "allow applications to take exclusive control..." which can sometimes affect audio interfaces by locking them down to specific apps.
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 15:29:55
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[.........The only other thing I have done is use ccleaner to clean the registry, but I think that was before the windows 8.1 update.......
This app is well known to, oft-times cause damage to OS systems. It is recommended to NOT use apps like this unless you are prepared to cross -check every listing it pops up. I am not saying it HAS caused your issues, but I would be quite su****ious that it has altered something. Why would you want to use it anyway if you had just performed a "clean" W8 install?
PS: How does "sus****ous" get blocked by the forum bots that is a new one!!!
Good advice - Ill avoid it in the future. The reason I had used it was I had some latency issues with my Nvidia video card when I first loaded up windows 8. I tried a few different drivers to see if any of them improved the situation, and I cleaned the registry in between drivers.
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 15:29:57
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Solafide
[.........The only other thing I have done is use ccleaner to clean the registry, but I think that was before the windows 8.1 update.......
This app is well known to, oft-times cause damage to OS systems. It is recommended to NOT use apps like this unless you are prepared to cross -check every listing it pops up. I am not saying it HAS caused your issues, but I would be quite su****ious that it has altered something. Why would you want to use it anyway if you had just performed a "clean" W8 install?
PS: How does "sus****ous" get blocked by the forum bots that is a new one!!!
I've use CCleaner for years (since it was called 'Crap Cleaner') and never found any problems with it. I've run it on many user systems without any problems. I volunteer in our local Senior Center to fix broken computers. This tool is one of the first things I run after getting things working. If you really think it caused a registry problem, then just reload the registry changes it saves for you or do a system restore.
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jb101
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:01:06
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joden
+1 sharke...not one issue on my system either. Everything ran exactly as before, I even managed to import some older CWB data with no issues! I suspect (and all due respect to posters) that perhaps the issues are with systems rather than CW. What else would explain the many differences, and why the vast majority of upgraders have no problems. Stands to reason doesn't it - I mean there must have been thousands of upgrade downloads already, but, relatively, only a handful of folks with issues.
And I guess it is human nature to not fully admit what someone has tweaked without knowledge, to avoid embarrassment. I come across it all the time in repairing PC systems for folk. They swear black and blue they have touched nothing and done nothing, but it always ends up with a sheepish admission usually after a couple of hours of problem hunting and elimination . Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar.
I guess that includes the guys at Cake, too, who have reproduced the Console Emulation hiss, and are working to fix it now. I believe it was caused by some changes made to VST3. The reason why only some people seethe bugs may be legion. In this case only affecting systems using the 64 bit Double Precision Engine. As it is off by default, most people weren't affected. Workflow is another. If someone didn't use the CE, they would be fine. Etc., etc. I'm sure it can often be system issues, but to make such a blanket statement is ludicrous.
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sharke
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:09:18
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joden
+1 sharke...not one issue on my system either. Everything ran exactly as before, I even managed to import some older CWB data with no issues! I suspect (and all due respect to posters) that perhaps the issues are with systems rather than CW. What else would explain the many differences, and why the vast majority of upgraders have no problems. Stands to reason doesn't it - I mean there must have been thousands of upgrade downloads already, but, relatively, only a handful of folks with issues.
And I guess it is human nature to not fully admit what someone has tweaked without knowledge, to avoid embarrassment. I come across it all the time in repairing PC systems for folk. They swear black and blue they have touched nothing and done nothing, but it always ends up with a sheepish admission usually after a couple of hours of problem hunting and elimination . Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar.
I guess that includes the guys at Cake, too, who have reproduced the Console Emulation hiss, and are working to fix it now. I believe it was caused by some changes made to VST3.
The reason why only some people seethe bugs may be legion. In this case only affecting systems using the 64 bit Double Precision Engine. As it is off by default, most people weren't affected. Workflow is another. If someone didn't use the CE, they would be fine. Etc., etc.
I'm sure it can often be system issues, but to make such a blanket statement is ludicrous.
I wonder why it only affects some with 64-bit DPE though. I have it turned on and have tried all modes of the Console Emulation on both stereo and mono tracks and I'm just not hearing it (or seeing it on the spectrum analyzer).
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jbraner
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:18:18
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I use ccleaner all the time too - and I've never had a problem with it.
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jb101
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:39:24
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sharke
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joden
+1 sharke...not one issue on my system either. Everything ran exactly as before, I even managed to import some older CWB data with no issues! I suspect (and all due respect to posters) that perhaps the issues are with systems rather than CW. What else would explain the many differences, and why the vast majority of upgraders have no problems. Stands to reason doesn't it - I mean there must have been thousands of upgrade downloads already, but, relatively, only a handful of folks with issues.
And I guess it is human nature to not fully admit what someone has tweaked without knowledge, to avoid embarrassment. I come across it all the time in repairing PC systems for folk. They swear black and blue they have touched nothing and done nothing, but it always ends up with a sheepish admission usually after a couple of hours of problem hunting and elimination . Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar.
I guess that includes the guys at Cake, too, who have reproduced the Console Emulation hiss, and are working to fix it now. I believe it was caused by some changes made to VST3.
The reason why only some people seethe bugs may be legion. In this case only affecting systems using the 64 bit Double Precision Engine. As it is off by default, most people weren't affected. Workflow is another. If someone didn't use the CE, they would be fine. Etc., etc.
I'm sure it can often be system issues, but to make such a blanket statement is ludicrous.
I wonder why it only affects some with 64-bit DPE though. I have it turned on and have tried all modes of the Console Emulation on both stereo and mono tracks and I'm just not hearing it (or seeing it on the spectrum analyzer).
Did you close Sonar and restart it after turning 64 bit DPE on? Did you play audio through it? Did you look at a mono interleave track with the CE on, preferably the A-type? What were your settings on the CE - trim, drive? That's just a few that we know relate to this issue so far. Others might be - are your preferences set up exactly the same, are you using same bit depth, etc., etc., etc..
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maximumpower
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:50:25
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FWIW I have a project that I started in X3a. It worked fine in X3b. I installed X3c, loaded it up and got the hum. I am not going to swear I didn't do anything else on my system in between X3b and X3c but would could I have done that would cause it to hum?
The flyout PC EQ seems to be fine though. I just get the humming sound.
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 16:51:09
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I don't know if you re-scanned your plug-ins after doing the update, but if you didn't, it seems to be an important step.
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joden
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 17:31:34
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jb101
I'm sure it can often be system issues, but to make such a blanket statement is ludicrous.
And you think "blanket blaming" and "broad brushing" every issue to be caused by Sonar is not?
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jb101
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 17:36:38
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joden
jb101
I'm sure it can often be system issues, but to make such a blanket statement is ludicrous.
And you think "blanket blaming" and "broad brushing" every issue to be caused by Sonar is not?
No, I think they're as bad as each other, so I do neither. Criticising one whilst doing the other is odd, IMO.
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joden
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 17:56:02
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btw, where in my post did I say it WAS his system anyway? I only suggested it might have been. Which I would have thought was obvious with my statement..
"Not saying that is the case here, but anecdotally, it is remarkably similar."
And I did not criticise one and do the other, read the post...it was a question to you...so your reply is a bit odd. Anyway lets just leave it there and concentrate on trying to help the OP. If at all possible.
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Anderton
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 18:50:11
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For what it's worth...I just installed X3c (and set a system restore point first, just in case). I opened a project and it had a ton of missing plug-ins, including Cakewalk ones, which concerned me. I closed Sonar, opened, created a new project, and ran the VST scan. After the scan was done I opened up the original project, and all the plug-ins loaded properly.
Just to be ornery I rooted around my hard drive for some projects done in X1 and X2, and they all loaded properly too. This included several projects that had lots of plug-ins from Waves, Universal Audio, and other companies. So either I'm lucky, the Gods of Sonar like me, or the VST scan thing is indeed an important part of the update process.
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mettelus
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 19:17:11
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Ironically, I was in a rush out the door when I saw X3c was out, so patched and ran out the door without a thought. I have only gotten to play with it a little bit since I got back, and only seen the spectrum analyzer so far, which disabling the 64-bit DPE resolved. I will give it a better workout this evening.
Sharke's post made me scratch my head too. I am curious why things are not more universal myself. From a cursory look at things, it seems that the ones "not overly affected" have been Win 7 users??
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Solafide
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/03 19:17:46
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Anderton
For what it's worth...I just installed X3c (and set a system restore point first, just in case). I opened a project and it had a ton of missing plug-ins, including Cakewalk ones, which concerned me. I closed Sonar, opened, created a new project, and ran the VST scan. After the scan was done I opened up the original project, and all the plug-ins loaded properly.
Just to be ornery I rooted around my hard drive for some projects done in X1 and X2, and they all loaded properly too. This included several projects that had lots of plug-ins from Waves, Universal Audio, and other companies. So either I'm lucky, the Gods of Sonar like me, or the VST scan thing is indeed an important part of the update process.
I'm not sure about the OP, but in my case the vst reset and scan was my first step to try to fix things, as well as turn off 64bit in the settings and checking for mono tracks. I'm hoping a clean install of Sonar will fix things as my issue seems to be different than others (although all the projects with issues does have the console emulation in use).
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conanliquid
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/04 03:20:32
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Thanks for all the comments guys. Just to put a few things straight, whilst I am no IT expert I would say I was above average. I made absolutely no changes to my system before or after updating to X3c. I have been using Sonar since Sonar 5 so I am not exactly a newbie to the way they do things. X3b was running with no problems whatsoever before the update, and seems to be running without any problems since I rolled back (fingers crossed). Like I said I am no expert so I am not speculating that it's my system or CW, I was merely stating the problems I had after the update to hopefully help the situation and make CW aware that there seems to be a few discrepancies with the update. I am certainly not on here to bad mouth Sonar, I love the program and this set back changes nothing. I would go as far to say that I am fairly certain it is not my system as I previously pointed out I made no changes apart from updating (and I am not connected to the internet so there would have not been any background updates inadvertently occurring). By process of elimination I would conclude, therefore, that the update caused the very random problems with my system. I am really glad that it seems that not too many people are having problems and I hope my problems are isolated.
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conanliquid
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/04 03:24:17
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As an addendum I tried most of the things people have mentioned above and in other posts to rectify the situation before the rollback and it is possible that more tweaks may have helped. However I would rather stick with X3b for the moment as turning things off, not using particular settings and executing work rounds in my usual workflow to make X3c work, seems like a step backwards frankly.
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jb101
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/04 04:44:45
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I would ring tech support, if I were you. Sorry if someone else has suggested this.
X3c should work fine for you. There are so many fixes in it that it would be a shame to roll back.
edit - just seen that you are in Dubai - not sure what the call would cost, but it might be worth it to get everything working. Could try emailing, too.
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conanliquid
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Re: X3c Update Roll back
2013/11/04 05:19:38
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Thanks JB101. I might just do that. I am back visiting the UK in a week or so, so I might leave it til then as it will be cheaper to call. Will probably email them as well. Obviously would prefer to update to X3c, but more than happy with X3b as things stand.
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