X3d: A cake Baked Well?

Well I don't want to include myself to those who are claiming to experience new bugs and the same "old" bugs as reading the forums, it appears quite a significant number of users are experiencing what I am also able to encounter. In fact I am really glad reading the forum because its only then that I realized "hey what I am experiencing after all is a bug."
 
With this, I wish not to state those bugs that I am experiencing as to do so would just be an utter waste of time as others are already stating it. Aside from that, how would I know that the other "things" I am experiencing with X3d (which are not yet being posted) are "bugs" as I am some sort of still a noob as far as this software. Perhaps ill just wait until some Jedi Sonar master would howl and proclaim it a bug, that's the only time I can only say that it is really a bug then. Indeed this is precisely the reason why I don't want to whine that much already as far as bugs becoming a zombie to another sonar version/update or a new bug is surfacing because ever since I became a sonar user, its kind of the norm already so what's the new.
 
With this, Id like to end this some sort of comment with a wish that someday, the bakers would be able to somehow steep up their game. I think banking on the fact that some people---no matter how pissed and frustrated they are couldn't find a reason to ditch the software--- thus instead of releasing a well baked software, just releasing a beta software is no fair and not cool. Nevertheless, I still have faith with the software. Perhaps what cakewalk needs is some sort of a catharsis thingy in order to come face to face with the industries' goliath (The Pro Tools, you can also include Abbleton or Cubase perhaps). Although this is just me, but having pro tools 11 and able to somehow compare the two soft wares (maybe I am just bias) but yes pro tools is truly a power house and super dooperly stable but sonar has lots of potentials and capabilities that if only the bakers would be able to prep it, sure no doubt they can even beat pro tools the heck out of it.
 
So with this, an unsolicited advice to cakewalk and to Gibson as well:
1. Hire if not the best but at least "nearing the best" programmers who are not only programmers but a musician as well.
2. There is so much wisdom in not rushing things.
3. Pls also consider those sonar users who does not have the "proper music" education in your priority by providing something in sonar ala Cubase 7 Chord track and Intelligent Composing Assistant. Sure even the pro's and the veterans would appreciate such offerings in sonar.
 
And last but not the least, please don't repeat what happened to X2a that after just a year, instead of making it more stable, you ditch it with a new version. Although this might be a wishful thinking since Gibson wouldn't want to make its presence in Sonar unknown, a new sonar might be brewing in the horizon soon, pls consider the loyalty of most of your new and the many long time clients (who in spite of getting pissed, frustrated, ****ed up and failed by your software, still hanging on so dearly for some reasons even to me is unclear) by offering us a some sort of a good deal hehe. Just a good deal bakers and sure whether you ditch sonar x3 soon or not, you would still have me as your loyal client. As what I have said with the other music forum, sonar to me is my guilty pleasure. My hot and gorgeous mistress to my now pro tools 11 wife. But hey, create something really stable like pro tools and cool like Cubase and Ableton combined and Ill sure file a divorce with pro tools hehe...
 

nyogisanz
So with this, an unsolicited advice to cakewalk and to Gibson as well:
1. Hire if not the best but at least "nearing the best" programmers who are not only programmers but a musician as well.
 

Bahaha! Yeah, if only they'd hire some decent programmers who are also musicians! I'm sure that's where they're going wrong 

Indeed CakeAlexS, hopefully an X3e would come (I don't care if it wont come soon. As a matter of fact, I wont mind if it would take quite long as long as the update wont be some sort of "beta" version). Nevertheless, this is not that I am being sarcastic, but just considering the behavior of cakewalk as a company since x1, especially Gibson is inside (imagine what if intel is inside hehe), I think an X3e would be too far-fetch. My porn star gut tells me that more likely next year will be up for a new (hopefully the realization of all hopes and dreams of many sonar fanatics like me) Sonar that can now compete with the industries leading DAW's (The Pro Tools, you might as well include Ableton, Cubase).
Now this might be a forecast of doom to those who are banking their hopes that X3 would live longer than its unfortunate predecessor X2 but I think that wont be the case. Hence as what I stated in the last part of my previous comment, I don't care whether they ditch x3 sooner than they ditch x2 as long as they consider loyalty of most of its fanatics like me by providing a much better deals when Tascam Sonar appears in the horizon.
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Indeed Sharke, that's the reason why I said hire "if not the best at least nearing the best programmers who are also musician" not a "decent programmers who are musician" because these two sets of programmers are totally a galaxy apart in my humble opinion ;)
Now I am not saying that all current sonar programmers are lame but I think they just lack the necessary boost to steep up their game.
 
Imagine a new Tascam Sonar , as stable as Pro Tools and cooler than Ableton and Cubase combined that has (for guitarist) a slash button that can provide a slash licks or (for EDM) a skrillex, Diplo, Tiesto button as well. And for the noobs like me (a chord track and Intelligent Composing Assistant ala Cubase 7). I wonder why my mouth is drooling already ;)

Oh by the way CakeAlexS, if I am not mistaken I read you in one of the forums that you're planning to purchase recent NI complete Series or have already bought it. Is it worth the money? I am considering also getting one but in some of the forums they say just buy the things you like . I for myself is kind of interested with the massive, kontak thingy. Do you know where can I buy this cheaper hehe? ;) Also may I ask what is the notation software you are using. Hoping to read a reply from you soon
 

I certainly don't want them to bolt anything else onto Sonar's frame. They're so close right now, I just want them to consolidate the gains and fine tune Sonar. The other DAW products I own have their own merits, but Sonar is just better by its scope. It does a little of everything, and most of it very well.
 
It reminds me of my early years of management. I wanted to do everything perfect and it hurt my overall performance. An old hand told me the secret to being successful was not to do 2 or 3 things perfect, but to do 10 things really well. I feel the same way about Sonar.

"1. Hire if not the best but at least "nearing the best" programmers who are not only programmers but a musician as well."
 
 
 
1. Here
 
 
 
 

cowboydan
Now that protools is on a level playing field, meaning all daws working in the computer without the circuit boards, they also have a lot of work to do. The last poll into the daw world put sonar in third place behind FL and Ableton and left protools at 2% of the voting. If this is the magestic daw you are talking about then I really think you need to learn how to swim, because protools is sinking fast.

Pro Tools 11 still comes in an HD format. They only put themselves on a level playing field with other offerings, not their flagship.
 
I'm not a ProTools advocate by any means, but you are misinformed if you think it is sinking because an internet popularity contest shows it at 2%. All that poll shows is that not many PT users visit that site :) PT is still used by many, if not most of the major recording studio's around the world. When they don't use ProTools, they'll have LOGIC or DP, not FL Studio.
 
The "home studio/project studio" market is NOT where ProTools aims to be ... It is still the STUDER of the recording world.  (Google "STUDER 24" if you don't know what that reference is)

Which reminds me, I know lots of people who were musicians or ex engineers who ended up in IT. Later when the world of DAW took over they attempted to reel back in their past profession. I'm one of them. Better get my CV out, but I suspect Keith Richards may have crossed the post first...

I think it is hard to make an apples and apples comparison of stability when it comes to products targeting different budgets.  Mentioning how stable Pro Tools is, fails to mention that the overall configuration of the computer and other hardware is likely more stable too.  The most stable Pro tools systems are going to be on turnkey systems built specifically for pro tools. The expense of developing plugins for protools weeds out the riff-raff of unstable plugins. There is no plethora of AAX freebies or even low budget AAX makers. When you get down to the level of someone placing pro tools on their laptop they also use for social media, balancing budget, netflix, gaming etc and $200 interface that stability difference goes out the window.  Logic tends to be more stable because the same company that makes the hardware makes the software and don't have account for infinite computer configurations. Apple tends to eliminate the issue of even accounting for different versions of it's own operating system by simply limiting (or eliminating)  how backwards compatible the software is.  Apple simply does not care if you want to run Logic X on the OS you got 4 years ago.
 

I dread to say it, but in reality the subscription model is taking over. So is renting of software. Check out Adobe's new software for instance (something I'm just totally incompatible with). With Pro Tools not only can you buy, but you can rent plugins. Software now has stores built into their products (Pro Tools, iTunes, Google Play Store, Windows 8 etc) in order to capture their customers. Patches get automatically applied via autoupdate... that sort of thing. Cake hasn't really touched the surface of all this yet (and right now I don't care, but it's going to happen, you know it. Auto update would be good though).

CakeAlexS
Which reminds me, I know lots of people who were musicians or ex engineers who ended up in IT.

I was getting some blood drawn a few years ago and the nurse asked me what I did for a living. I said "I develop software." Then apropos of absolutely nothing the nurse replied: "Are you a musician?"
 
Apparently many IT types enjoy musical creativity also.
 
Regards,
 

+1000 for Craig.
 
Thank You

Hmmm...
 

 
 

The iconic thing is, it was created in Photoshop...

I love making music and using Sonar to make it all fit.  Have I every been frustrated at a lock up or something that did not exactly work as I hoped? Sure.  Would I trade Sonar X1, X2 and now X3 for anything else on the market? No way.
 
There are companies that rest on their laurels. Cake is not one of them, never has been, and isn't now.  The amount of energy that they are putting into improving X3 demonstrates a vibrant organization with a committed management system and committed workers.
 
With Sonar X3, I don't worry about if I can achieve a desired end. I just have to worry about which of the many choices and possibilities will give me the best mix I've done yet.
 
My 2 cents,
 
Rick