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X3d still crashing with some plugins
...namely Cyanide 2.0 im certain there are others. the workaround has been to open with shift mode to selectively open plugins, but I noted that Sonar no longer puts "placeholder" plugins on the channel. When did this disappear? still testing
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 14:01:36
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soundsubs
...namely Cyanide 2.0
im certain there are others.
the workaround has been to open with shift mode to selectively open plugins, but I noted that Sonar no longer puts "placeholder" plugins on the channel. When did this disappear?
still testing
Please PM a list of plugins you have found that do not work with SONAR and/or you have been finding some issues here or there. I'll jump right in and see what we can do. -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 14:56:52
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Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
soundsubs
...namely Cyanide 2.0
im certain there are others.
the workaround has been to open with shift mode to selectively open plugins, but I noted that Sonar no longer puts "placeholder" plugins on the channel. When did this disappear?
still testing
Please PM a list of plugins you have found that do not work with SONAR and/or you have been finding some issues here or there. I'll jump right in and see what we can do.
-DG
Hi Dan, I am a newbie, so can't send PMs yet. Antares Avox 4 64bit plugins are causing Sonar X3 to crash. They scan ok, but when you try to insert one into a track, Sonar crashes. Thanks for taking a look.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 15:00:46
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I am having trouble with the IK black and white compressors (the CS versions). Random crashes with those (CWBRN-21060,21057,21055) If that helps the investigation at all.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 16:51:30
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Elysia Niveau Filter (VST2 - 32bit), will work OK when first put in the FX bin, but will crash X3 when you re-arrange the plugin order in the bin. VST3 - 32bit version seems to be OK.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 16:56:10
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I have problem with Waves SSL Channel Strip crashes everytime I insert it during playback
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 16:57:15
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One thing I suggest is for any plug-ins that crash X3c's VST Scanner is make sure you have the latest build from the plug-in makers, such as Waves, and I see no harm in re-installing them or later versions with X3. For anyone using DMG's EQuality, this is one that will crash VST Scanner, but I have alerted DMG of this issue.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 17:10:37
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So far this is a great list. I will download some demos to start reproducing these issues.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 17:20:48
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I have been having problem with the Korg Krome Keyboard plug-in and Yamaha MOX Keyboard plug-in
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 17:32:16
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Elysia Niveau Filter (VST3 - 32bit) does not respond when trying to map its controls to an FX Chain, button and knobs will not show up. Other plugins such as Waves NLS (VST3 - 32bit), UAD Ampex (32bit), the control will show up in the FX Chain, but often it will map to the wrong parameter (you set it to control gain, for example, and it controls something else).
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/10/31 17:52:20
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☄ Helpfulby Anderton 2013/11/04 23:01:18
Disrezoloution
I have been having problem with the Korg Krome Keyboard plug-in and Yamaha MOX Keyboard plug-in
I'm friends with the Korg TS manager, I'll see if I can't get the Krome Plug-in sent over. Edit: He says it's 32-bit only. 64-bit is not supported. He mentioned that their midi drivers won't work with 32 and 64 bit programs simultaneously.
post edited by Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] - 2013/10/31 17:58:30
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 11:53:36
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Byrdlander
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
soundsubs
...namely Cyanide 2.0
im certain there are others.
the workaround has been to open with shift mode to selectively open plugins, but I noted that Sonar no longer puts "placeholder" plugins on the channel. When did this disappear?
still testing
Please PM a list of plugins you have found that do not work with SONAR and/or you have been finding some issues here or there. I'll jump right in and see what we can do.
-DG
Hi Dan,
I am a newbie, so can't send PMs yet. Antares Avox 4 64bit plugins are causing Sonar X3 to crash. They scan ok, but when you try to insert one into a track, Sonar crashes. Thanks for taking a look.
Just downloaded the trial for all 22 plugins in this bundle. Will keep you posted. -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 12:10:20
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Byrdlander
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
soundsubs
...namely Cyanide 2.0
im certain there are others.
the workaround has been to open with shift mode to selectively open plugins, but I noted that Sonar no longer puts "placeholder" plugins on the channel. When did this disappear?
still testing
Please PM a list of plugins you have found that do not work with SONAR and/or you have been finding some issues here or there. I'll jump right in and see what we can do.
-DG
Hi Dan,
I am a newbie, so can't send PMs yet. Antares Avox 4 64bit plugins are causing Sonar X3 to crash. They scan ok, but when you try to insert one into a track, Sonar crashes. Thanks for taking a look.
Confirmed, they are crashing SONAR X3c. VST2's don't scan in and the VST3's crash SONAR hard. We'll start looking into this over here at HQ. *EDIT* I was able to get the VST2 64bit and 32bit plugins to successfully scan and open in SONAR X3c. The VST3's cause SONAR X3c to crash. For now, try using the 64bit VST2's and you should be ok, lemme know if that does not work. The VST2 64bit plugins install in C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2
post edited by Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk] - 2013/11/01 12:30:24
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 12:25:53
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I had a reproducible crash last night with DMGAudio's Equality.
The crash was:
1. Loaded an existing project with DMGAudio's EQuality on the master buss
2. During playback of the song, delete the EQuality instance on the master buss
Result: Sonar would freeze and go into not responding mode. This was 100% reproducible on my machine and happened 3 times in a row.
To workaround the issue, I had to stop playback, THEN delete EQuality.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 13:56:14
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wizard71
I am having trouble with the IK black and white compressors (the CS versions). Random crashes with those (CWBRN-21060,21057,21055) If that helps the investigation at all.
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I just sent an email off to the dudes at IK to see if they can get us a few copies of these plugins. It doesn't look like trials are available for them. -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 14:34:49
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Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
wizard71
I am having trouble with the IK black and white compressors (the CS versions). Random crashes with those (CWBRN-21060,21057,21055) If that helps the investigation at all.
BIBs
I just sent an email off to the dudes at IK to see if they can get us a few copies of these plugins. It doesn't look like trials are available for them.
-DG
I think you can demo the T-Racks CS Suite, then download demos via the Custom Shop. At least, that's how Amplitube works. Funny thing is I was using the Black76 in a mix just last night, and wasn't having any problems with it (it's the same mix where deleting EQuality caused freezes however).
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 14:37:02
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Funkybot
I had a reproducible crash last night with DMGAudio's Equality.
The crash was:
1. Loaded an existing project with DMGAudio's EQuality on the master buss
2. During playback of the song, delete the EQuality instance on the master buss
Result: Sonar would freeze and go into not responding mode. This was 100% reproducible on my machine and happened 3 times in a row.
To workaround the issue, I had to stop playback, THEN delete EQuality.
DMG Audio is currently looking into crashes with EQuality in Sonar.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 14:38:32
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PTheory
I have problem with Waves SSL Channel Strip crashes everytime I insert it during playback
I have the demo installed for this plugin suite and I can't seem to get this to happen with the steps you provided me. Perhaps you have a project you could forward along? -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 14:55:00
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Cheerful Hamster
Elysia Niveau Filter (VST2 - 32bit), will work OK when first put in the FX bin, but will crash X3 when you re-arrange the plugin order in the bin. VST3 - 32bit version seems to be OK.
Are you running SONAR X3c 32bit? I can't seem to reproduce this issue. -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 15:09:57
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Funkybot
I had a reproducible crash last night with DMGAudio's Equality.
The crash was:
1. Loaded an existing project with DMGAudio's EQuality on the master buss
2. During playback of the song, delete the EQuality instance on the master buss
Result: Sonar would freeze and go into not responding mode. This was 100% reproducible on my machine and happened 3 times in a row.
To workaround the issue, I had to stop playback, THEN delete EQuality.
Can you still reproduce this? I can't seem to get it to happen at all. Looks like a sweet plugin though! -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 15:10:26
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Funkybot
I had a reproducible crash last night with DMGAudio's Equality.
The crash was:
1. Loaded an existing project with DMGAudio's EQuality on the master buss
2. During playback of the song, delete the EQuality instance on the master buss
Result: Sonar would freeze and go into not responding mode. This was 100% reproducible on my machine and happened 3 times in a row.
To workaround the issue, I had to stop playback, THEN delete EQuality.
DMG Audio is currently looking into crashes with EQuality in Sonar.
Thanks! Didn't see this at first. -DG
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 15:43:49
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Cheerful Hamster
Elysia Niveau Filter (VST2 - 32bit), will work OK when first put in the FX bin, but will crash X3 when you re-arrange the plugin order in the bin. VST3 - 32bit version seems to be OK.
Are you running SONAR X3c 32bit? I can't seem to reproduce this issue.
-DG
Yes. X3c 32bit on Win7 x64. UAD (x86) plugins are still flaky in general. I inserted an instance of Ocean Way, then removed it; after its removal, all of the UAD plugins in the project were disabled. Audio would pass through, but no processing would be performed.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 19:33:54
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☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2014/01/05 23:05:01
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
Funkybot
I had a reproducible crash last night with DMGAudio's Equality.
The crash was:
1. Loaded an existing project with DMGAudio's EQuality on the master buss
2. During playback of the song, delete the EQuality instance on the master buss
Result: Sonar would freeze and go into not responding mode. This was 100% reproducible on my machine and happened 3 times in a row.
To workaround the issue, I had to stop playback, THEN delete EQuality.
Can you still reproduce this? I can't seem to get it to happen at all. Looks like a sweet plugin though!
-DG
Yeah, it's a sweet plugin, though EQuilibrium is really the beast of the pack. That one has got a ton of modeled EQ's, it does Pultec's, Neve's, API's, SSL's, all in a single unit with a ton of options, including how to change the interface. Dave Gamble (the developer, formerly of Neve and Sonalksis) isn't a big believer in modelling saturation, but has nailed the curves the EQ's, including the phase shift. If EQuilibrium were the only EQ plugin in existence, the world would somehow be a better place. But I digress...sounds like Dave's looking into the problem on his end. If you still want me to look into reproducing it, I can probably send you a .bun file with the project (though, it's a big one, I'd probably have to strip out some audio). If so, either PM me or post back here.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 19:45:54
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DMG Equilibrium is the one plug I had to stop using when X-3a came out due to opening a project created in X-2a and as soon as u hit play X-3 would crash. So I stopped using it and started using the new flyout eq! That's a sweet eq right under our noses! Haven't tried Equilibrium with X-3c yet but I will just to test.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 20:09:15
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Dan, I've reported this already....but it may be worth looking into as I never heard back whether staff was going to talk to Voxengo or not. But Pristine Space cannot be used with a UAD on the same fx bin. I was told the issue was with Pristine Space. However, both of these plugs work in the same project, just not on the same fx bin at the same time. I'm able to use them in x64, but not 32 bit Sonar X3. So if you have an "in" at Voxengo, maybe you can pass the info on.
The project that fails for me has Pristine Space in the FX bin first with a UAD 1176 following it on the same bin. Crash city if you load them in a project...and crash city if you try to load a project with that line-up. Thanks.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 20:30:20
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 20:39:16
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Gregmang
I had some wackiness happen today with Breverb, Link here http://forum.cakewalk.com/Exceptionally-frustrating-X3c-experience-m2923620.aspx
The "C" patch has not been good for me...
Danny - don't see you much on the Fractal forum anymore ?
Bakers are all over the place....I have faith they'll fix this stuff in a timely fashion. Sorry to hear about the problems you're having....whew..tough stuff there Greg. :( I lurk there a bit but have been too busy creating patches and using my AxeFx. I only stop there to see when they may be getting that pedal board ready to go. I've been on the waiting list since August. I'm getting a little frustrated with that...but you're sort of backed into a corner. Other pedal boards work, but none of them do what the MFC will do. The new one sounds pretty sweet...if only they'd get it out already. I may just dust off my old Bradshaw switching system and call it a day. Pretty much the same thing, just a little bigger board. -Danny
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/01 23:10:21
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Danny Danzi
Dan, I've reported this already....but it may be worth looking into as I never heard back whether staff was going to talk to Voxengo or not. But Pristine Space cannot be used with a UAD on the same fx bin. I was told the issue was with Pristine Space. However, both of these plugs work in the same project, just not on the same fx bin at the same time. I'm able to use them in x64, but not 32 bit Sonar X3. So if you have an "in" at Voxengo, maybe you can pass the info on.
The project that fails for me has Pristine Space in the FX bin first with a UAD 1176 following it on the same bin. Crash city if you load them in a project...and crash city if you try to load a project with that line-up. Thanks.
-Danny
Hey Danny, Out of curiosity, what happens if you put Pristine Space in the track FX bin and then route it to a bus and put a UAD plug there? Same behavior?
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/02 00:54:36
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I haven't tried that one Ed. I have PS in a bus follwed by the UAD 1176 to squash the room. Been using that for years...now it won't work. If I have the UAD in the bin and the PS on another track or bus, all is well. As soon as they both end up in the same bin, it's cuytains. Yet in 64 bit Sonar it works. I don't think it will matter what we do...as long as those two are on the same bin in 32 bit Sonar, they hate each other and it crashes.
I've never had any issues with Voxengo stuff. My first theory would be it's something UAD (But one of the Bakers assured me it wasn't) as they seem to really be strange with X3 and we had a few issues with them with X2 as well. The last I heard UAD wasn't doing any testing in house on Sonar...so that may be the issue. We went from having our own little "Sonar button" in the UAD control panel to "we don't test on Sonar in house" was what I was told by them. Makes me want to sell my UAD stuff and use something else that acknowledges we have a killer DAW for sale too. Unfortunately, their compressors and other processing gear make too huge of a difference for me. :( But trust me, when something else comes along that leaves them in the dust, so will I.
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Re: X3c still crashing with some plugins
2013/11/02 10:47:06
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Cheerful Hamster
Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
Cheerful Hamster
Elysia Niveau Filter (VST2 - 32bit), will work OK when first put in the FX bin, but will crash X3 when you re-arrange the plugin order in the bin. VST3 - 32bit version seems to be OK.
Are you running SONAR X3c 32bit? I can't seem to reproduce this issue.
-DG
Yes. X3c 32bit on Win7 x64.
UAD (x86) plugins are still flaky in general. I inserted an instance of Ocean Way, then removed it; after its removal, all of the UAD plugins in the project were disabled. Audio would pass through, but no processing would be performed.
Strange, I'm going to write down this formula to see if I can reproduce on my end come Monday. Sadly all our fancy stuff is at HQ and not in my homestudio :(
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