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Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any lyric


Yamaha Corporation has released Vocaloid 5, a comprehensive solution for virtual vocal production for macOS and Windows. This new software can be downloaded, beginning today, from the official Vocaloid Shop.
"Vocaloid 5 adds virtual vocalists to your music production environment. They can sing your lyrics and melodies in your favorite voices and desired singing styles. Enjoy the experience of being able to edit singing voices however you like" says Yoichiro Saito, General Manager, DMI Division of Yamaha Corporation.
The Vocaloid singing synthesizer makes it possible to easily produce any kind of singing voice you can imagine using just a computer.
For this product, the first new version of the Vocaloid software range released in 4 years, production flow has been drastically overhauled in line with the aim of having today's diverse music producers incorporate a wider line-up of virtual singers into their music. This new software helps increases speed and efficiency when producing singing voices.
The all new production flow makes it possible to create singing voices as simply as dragging and dropping from a choice of over 2,000 audio and phrase presets. Adjusting singing styles and vocal expressions such as vibrato are also simple to master – just select the icons. It's possible to create lyrics and melodies from scratch too. With a total of 3 new parameters to control vocal expressions added (making a total of 13), in addition to the standard dynamic and pitch parameters, Vocaloid5 offers finer control of vocal tone, amount of breath, and more. The software also comes pre-loaded with 11 powerful audio effects for vocal tracks.
Vocaloid5 Voicebanks
To help support artistic expression that suits a wide variety of genres, Vocaloid5 includes 4 voicebanks, both male and female and in both Japanese and English:
  1. Amy: Expressive English-language female voicebank, ideal for contemporary singing. The versatile voice boasts natural pronunciation and varied vocal tones, suited to genres from R&B to pop music.
  2. Chris: Authentic R&B English-language male voicebank. Capable of singing over a wide range from delicate, soft bass to powerful, sustained high tones.
  3. Kaori: Japanese-language female voicebank with a soulful vocal quality. Long vocal sustains make it perfect for powerful singing.
  4. Ken: Sharp, clear Japanese-language male voicebank, with a light vocal quality ideal for singing J-pop.
The voice databases are generated based on human voices. 8 voicebanks are included in the Premium version with the addition of:
  • VY1 Japanese-language female voicebank.
  • VY2 Japanese male voicebank.
  • CYBER SongMAN II English-language male voicebank.
  • CYBER DIVA II English female voicebank.
Moreover, to accommodate the diverse workstations of contemporary music producers, Vocaloid5 supports both Windows and Mac operating environments. The ability to coordinate with other music software, plug-ins, and input devices has also been significantly strengthened by allowing VST (Virtual Studio Technology), AU (Audio Units), and external MIDI input capability.
Features & Functions Overview:
  • Drag-and-drop song creation: Over 2,000 preset phrases & audio.
  • Allows for realistic vocal expression: Attack & release effects, emotion tools.
  • Instant conversion of your desired styles & voices: Style function.
  • Fine control of vocal tension and amount of breath: 3 new vocal expression parameters.
  • Includes a wealth of voices for every genre: 4 voicebanks (male & female, Japanese & English).
  • Create complete vocal tracks with a single application: 11 kinds of audio effects.
  • Better external functionality, improved production efficiency: VST, AU, external MIDI input.
  • Power up your favorite voices with Vocaloid5: Compatible with Vocaloid3 & 4 voicebanks.
  • Includes support software for Cubase: The Vocaloid 4.5 Editor for Cubase, capable of importing Vocaloid features into Steinberg's Cubase DAW software, is included as a bonus extra.
Pricing:
  • Vocaloid5 Standard (Windows & Mac, 4 voicebanks, 25,000 yen).
  • Vocaloid5 Premium (Windows & Mac, 8 voicebanks, 40,000 yen).
Vocaloid5 Upgrade Editions are also available for those who have already purchased Vocaloid3 Editor (SE), Vocaloid4 Editor, Vocaloid Editor for Cubase (NEO), or Vocaloid4 Editor for Cubase:
  • Vocaloid5 Standard, Upgrade Edition 15,000 yen.
  • Vocaloid5 Premium, Upgrade Edition 24,000 yen.
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 13:31:10 (permalink)
The faces are flat out creepy.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 14:56:35 (permalink)
I have to wonder if the phrase "sterile pastiche" is in that wordbank.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 16:17:49 (permalink)
The Japanese singers can only sing Japanese

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How does someone get the Mr. Roboto in there??

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 17:28:29 (permalink)
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How does someone get the Mr. Roboto in there??

Use Pentagon I as a vocoder  

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 17:55:29 (permalink)
What's the price in US dollars?  Do vendors sell this?

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 18:34:31 (permalink)
I thought it's been such a long time since it was last updated, that there would be great improvement.
 
That's what I get for thinking.
 
Hey, I gave 'em a shot. 
 
edit: I forgot to add that they want $250 for....Man!

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 19:54:33 (permalink)
An upgrade costs about $135. 
I bought Vocaloid 4 about 2 years ago and found that it was too awkward to use.  Unless you were using Cubase, you had to run it as an external program, create a wav file,  and then bring it into your DAW.
I see now that they are saying it is a VST, and if so, that will make a big difference...  I will wait for some reviewers who can give the definitive word that it actually works within DAWs.   Then it might actually be worthwhile.
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/12 20:18:49 (permalink)
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What's the price in US dollars?  Do vendors sell this?




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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/14 00:04:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/07/14 08:08:45
I found this website a few years back. I thought it could be useful for teaching kids, giving vices to characters. Some of the voice emulations are pretty good, and with melodyne cud be tweaked further. Unfortunately they've added a background sound to the demo. 
 
Maybe a melodic variant could stem from the same process sometime ckse in the future.
 
http://www.acapela-group.com/voices/demo/

 
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/14 01:26:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/07/14 08:10:53
The latest version seems like a much greater improvement over the last one.  Although I'm still not sure it's realistic sounding enough to use as a lead vocal.  But for backing vocals, with harmonies added, combining it with the entire mix of a song, I think it could be passable.   
It's nice to see that they are continuing to improve on this product.  For those of us that don't have great singing voices, maybe one day this can serve as a total replacement for main vocals.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/14 05:26:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/07/14 08:10:59
Own V1-V4, bought the V5 standard package. To be brief: I'M SO HAPPY!
 
For Windows, you have to point your DAW at "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2." You can't choose where to install the editor/plugins, only the voicebanks. It also has experimental Rewire support, I think that wasn't possible in V3/V4 without an unofficial plugin.
 
If you have Cubase, Yamaha also throws in the previous V4 editor. V4 cross-synthesis (the ability to morph between two voicebanks) is gone in V5, but this way you can still use it.
 
Briefly tested it in SPLAT, the editor loads up and syncs with playback, yay!
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/14 07:41:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/07/14 08:11:40
BTW if you want to freeze Vocaloid's audio output, you have to put "bookend" events in its inserted MIDI track in Sonar: one note in the PRV before where the vocals start in the project timeline and one after they stop.  Then you hit the freeze button on the linked audio track.

Other observations:

The Cyber Songman, Amy, and Chris voicebanks have two phonemes that aid English pronunciation: [4], as in "bu[tt]er"; and [@l], as in "app[le]". They're not in the manual.

They brought back some stuff that's been missing since VOCALOID1!
  • V1's icon palette is here as "Attack Release Effect." You can apply two expressions per note from choices like vocal fry, melisma, stops, etc., and dial the degree in.
  • Parameter automation is drawn more like V1, with easily grabbable nodes. Changing the quantize grid also changes the resolution of node placement.
  • They gave us back the Harmonics parameter! Now it's called "Exciter"! It's rad!
A lot of Japanese Vocaloids come with separate "power" and "soft" voicebanks, but I can see how the new synthesis parameters might reduce the need for multiples and cross-synthesis. Just one well-designed bank in the V5 editor could be "enough". That could be good for makers and users -- less time recording alternate voice samples, more time to pump out new characters, cheaper products, smaller downloads... Yamaha put a lot of thought into this version.
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/14 13:22:02 (permalink)
Leee

not sure it's realistic sounding enough to use as a lead vocal.  But for backing vocals, with harmonies added, combining it with the entire mix of a song, I think it could be passable.   
It's nice to see that they are continuing to improve on this product.  For those of us that don't have great singing voices, maybe one day this can serve as a total replacement for main vocals.



Agreed on not sounding real enough for lead work. But for harmonies and background vocals it would pass I think.

And I love to sing. But I have yet to find someone who loves to hear me sing! So I really had hope for this! LOL! :)

Maybe get in on the ground floor now to be able to upgrade for a decent price? But that's betting/hoping they continue development.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/15 07:03:43 (permalink)
I haven't playing with anything like this, but am interested. I've watched demos of Realitone's Realivoxs. Are they the same kind of thing as this? How would they compare?
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/15 10:43:36 (permalink)
The 15-minute official walkthrough cclarry posted is a good introduction:
 
youtube.com/watch?v=UAtVGHl1AFM
 
ETA the manual: vocaloid.com/en/support/download/

Realivox is an "instrument," but better to consider Vocaloid as a synthesizer-sequencer -- a really complex one. It has automation lanes for a number of parameters simulating vocal characteristics: intensity, how open the mouth is, inflection between syllables, formant-shaping, breathiness, growling, and so on. You can have multiple tracks in the program itself, all loaded with different voicebanks. Unlike Realivox, you can type lyrics in plain English -- or Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or Spanish. Vocaloid will convert them into phonemes you can tweak to make the pronunciation more natural. It will even automatically split syllables across notes.

So while it's way more flexible than Realivox, it's always been harder and more time-consuming to achieve a performance-ready sound outside of backing "ah's" and "ooh's". Vocaloid5 is a huge step in the right direction, though.

The other historical issue with Vocaloid in the West is a dearth of voices provided by native English speakers, or voicetypes that an average musician here would find, um, usable. Yamaha's been working on that since v4 with Cyber Diva and Songman, plus there are the new V5 pack-in voicebanks. Third-party V4 banks Dex, Daina, and Ruby are native English as well.
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/15 16:47:42 (permalink)
OK, got it, I think. Realivox has sampled vowels and consonants that you play (via Kontakt). Vocaloid, as you say, is a synthesizer and sequencer of words and phrases. Thanks.
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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/16 13:31:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/07/16 15:57:41
When does the Group Buy start?


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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/16 16:00:00 (permalink)
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When does the Group Buy start?




I'm in if there is one 
 
Seriously though I have been waiting and waiting for a serious/usable version of Vocaloid to appear and V5 might just be it. I'm hovering on the buy button.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/16 16:52:40 (permalink)
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I'm in if there is one 
 
Seriously though I have been waiting and waiting for a serious/usable version of Vocaloid to appear and V5 might just be it. I'm hovering on the buy button.


I thought by now you'd have a full orchestral choir (in full swing) after getting Melodyne Studio.

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Re: Yamaha Yamaha releases Vocaloid 5 - Drag and drop to create a singing voice, set any l 2018/07/16 18:13:17 (permalink)
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When does the Group Buy start?




I'm in if there is one 
Seriously though I have been waiting and waiting for a serious/usable version of Vocaloid to appear and V5 might just be it. I'm hovering on the buy button.

I thought by now you'd have a full orchestral choir (in full swing) after getting Melodyne Studio.


Lol, if only! I was all set to buy the cheap upgrade to Melodyne Studio from Koby and then I saw a post on here listing a catalog of problems with CbB and Melodyne Studio. To be honest it really put me off. I mean I use Melodyne Editor A LOT and it works beautifully with CbB so I just didn't fancy upsetting my workflow. I will wait and see in the next sale. That's why I was thinking of redirecting those funds towards Vocaloid 

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