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2012/11/04 08:12:50 (permalink)

You Know You Suck When....

.... you're recording a part, and the little clip title thingy says "Record 197".

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 08:19:14 (permalink)


    That just means you are an exceptionally hard worker.


    Rock on!


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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 08:21:38 (permalink)
    Hey, perfectionism ain't nothing to be sorry about, it just means you are passionate

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 09:51:26 (permalink)
    LOL  I agree with the others.

    So the question is is does X2 and Take Lanes eliminate that perception  


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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 10:26:57 (permalink)
    It's one of the benefits of not being on stage where there is no "do-over's" and a hedge against Murphy's Law.


    Sometimes it would be nice to do another "Take" live, but your audience would not appreciate that.

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 14:15:23 (permalink)
    It's not unusual here, and I guess it depends on how you're working. I've used punch-ins twice in my life: once in a real studio when the time was running short and once when I got my first DAW, to experiment w/ it.

    So I'm usually trying to record either the whole part in one take, either entire sections of the song (verse, chorus, bridge). Since I'm playing against programmed/virtual instruments, I try to compensate by having the guitars and vocals more lively, and to have all the right little imperfections in all the right places.

    In fact, this week marked the first time that I actually tried a different approach and broke down parts into components, because, partly due to the key the song was in, it made it nearly impossible to play the melodic part and be back on time for the power chord punches, which had to be as clean as possible. After a couple of attempts to run through entire section, it became evident that my usual "live arrangement" approach didn't really work.

    That being said, if both the melodic and the power chord parts have to be played, say, 3 times in a verse, I'll have those 3 times nailed in the same take for each verse, and possibly all verses recorded in one take. For my own stuff, I'm not into comping. I usually just delete everything on the spot if there's any weak spot and simply record another take.

    I've always wondered how granular people allowed themselves to go w/ their own performances...

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 14:25:47 (permalink)
    Definitely one-take if possible, I hate comping guitar parts. I try and aim for a 'performance' feel as far as possible. Just did a one-take solo for Ed, and it took all week to get it down right.

     
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 14:54:47 (permalink)
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    Definitely one-take if possible, I hate comping guitar parts. I try and aim for a 'performance' feel as far as possible. Just did a one-take solo for Ed, and it took all week to get it down right.

    And blimey it's right gorgeous.


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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 18:12:17 (permalink)
    I learn a new reason I suq every day... it is something that comes with age and I am aging well!

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 19:22:15 (permalink)
    I don't play live so I don't care how many takes I need - I just hope that the final product ends up sounding good!

     
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 19:39:13 (permalink)
     I just get so darned upset with myself sometimes when it's like 6 notes that i can't seem to get straight, and I screw it up THE SAME WAY 50 times in a row!!   LOL

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 19:50:27 (permalink)
    Heh, I feel your pain there!  Being ADHD does NOT help you make music sometimes.  I find myself drifting mentally sometimes and forget to change the patterns occasionally (like when a chorus gets repeated and the final time around you raise the key - oops!).  Oh well.

     
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 21:23:43 (permalink)
    They prescribe desoxyn for ADHD now... just sayin'

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 22:38:20 (permalink)
    jbow


    They prescribe desoxyn for ADHD now... just sayin'

    J


    I prescribe doing multiple things at once instead.  No need for any funky chemicals!

     
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/04 22:42:16 (permalink)
    Slow parts can be a pain - there's just so much room around each note, and rushing a single note by a few ms can ruin the whole thing.

    One silly thing that helps me keep the feeling and to let go and be less mechanical is to actually record a dummy guitar track if possible. I've noticed early on that if I had to record similar parts hard panned left and right, I struggled w/ the first one and the second one was much better, so I stopped wasting time trying to record THE right take the first time. I just go back once the second guitar has been recorded and re-do the first one.

    Another things which used to slow me down a lot is that even though I use amp sims - I insist on re-recording everything the minute I change something like a cab or if I add distortion - because I'll react and play differently. 

    To be honest, I think the main reason why I have a tendency to pile up tracks is not mistakes, but sounds. And each new sound means doing a bunch of takes.

    Archiving the old sounds and creating new tracks all the time isn't an efficient option either as I'd end up w/ tons of tracks and plug-ins to manage. And it's always tempting to re-open the amp sim and modify the cab or add a little this and that.

    One thing that helps w/ that is that my host has input tracks, so the sounds are "printed to tape" as is. I'll usually record a few different options and pick what seems to work best afterwards. There's something about committing to a sound and making it work. 

    And then of course, spending time away from it. I'm sure I've deleted more than my share of good performances because I just kept at it too long. A producer will make that call for you. When I think back about the time we spent in a real studio - man, we rarely did more than 2 or 3 takes, and I was pretty happy w/ the results.


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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/05 19:08:28 (permalink)
    I love this place.  Y'all crack me up...LOL  Some serious, some jokers... cool!

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/05 19:20:06 (permalink)
    Wel,... every time you enter a note... it's another record. Every time you apply effects... yep. Every time you...

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/06 03:02:06 (permalink)
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    .... you're recording a part, and the little clip title thingy says "Record 197".

    Brother T, anytime you think you suck due to seeing that huge take number, think about a guy like me who will always have you beat and is past the "suck" stage and now at the "engulf" stage.
     

     
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    See what I mean? So don't ever feel bad. :) That's one little guitar solo....and let me tell you, I'm not proud of it. But, I got it the way I wanted it. Most times it's not mistakes. I hear a certain sound in my head that I'm going for. When I don't hear it, it bothers me until I get it right. But, I'm still not happy about my number of takes ever. The good thing is, I can probably punch in 30 times per minute so they go fast. LOL! :)
     
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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/06 06:30:11 (permalink)
    If at first ya don't succeed......

    :-)

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/07 18:14:04 (permalink)
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    If at first ya don't succeed......

    :-)


    ....suck/engulf again for another 300 takes? LOL! :)

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/07 18:16:42 (permalink)
    There's always one song that just screws you to death.

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/07 18:18:30 (permalink)
    I usually do like 3-5 takes all at once, and then spend a year making them work...

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    Re:You Know You Suck When.... 2012/11/07 18:25:24 (permalink)
    I choose not to think of it as piling up (potentially) useless takes.  Instead, I think of it as providing an abundance of material for the gag reel.

    It's a lifestyle, really.
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