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Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
Apparently the two vocal inflections which make me unable to listen to so many young women today without wanting to claw my own eardrums out, actually have names. Vocal Fry - a tendency to lower the voice into a kind of gravelly, scratchy rasp in the latter half of sentences. Uptalk - when the voice raises in pitch toward the end of sentences, as if a question is being asked even when it's not. I just got a couple of videos into a Lynda.com video course and am debating whether or not I can continue with it because the presenter is demonstrating both vocal traits. Apparently it's affecting people's chances of getting hired as well: http://www.fastcompany.com/3032208/hit-the-ground-running/4-speech-habits-that-are-undermining-your-job-chances Millennials! When I was a teenager and into my early 20's, I don't think there was quite the same level of homogenization among young people. Apart from the regional accent, we all had our own peculiar speech patterns and instantly recognizable voices. Now everyone of that age sounds identical to me, I can barely tell them apart.
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Now everyone of that age sounds identical to me, I can barely tell them apart.
And all their music is just loud banging and screaming and it too all sounds alike. 
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/22 16:48:43
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Get off my lawn everyone!
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/22 20:15:17
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These same girls, instead of actually laughing at a joke, will instead say "oh my god that is soooooooo funny."
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 00:03:57
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Hi-
Try transcribing several hours of interviews with "vocal fryers" and then tell me you're absolutely sure you wouldn't strangle the next person to walk in the room (or yourself, if you could.)
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 04:22:38
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In finnish language the modern pests of producing speech are a little different, but equally irritating.
I can't understand that these "challenged" persons even get hired for TV or radio work. Well, maybe, in a small country you can't find enough people who have both the will and the skill :o/.
Another story is the pretenciously dramatic, low pitch way of speech that, say, David Caruso or Christian Bale use.
I can't watch Bales Batman films because it's so irritating. It makes me think of Margaret Thatcher, though she did it more convincingly.
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 06:22:25
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Margaret Thatcher played Batman??!!1! Which film? I gotta see this...
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 08:42:01
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2015/06/23 09:01:54
Well I just started another Lynda course, this time on content marketing, and once again I'm having to debate whether to continue because the presenter has a serious case of the Uptalks. Maybe I'm just shallow or tetchy and I should be able to get past the way someone speaks, but I just find that if I'm irritated by a speech pattern then it's too distracting. I cannot help associating uptalk with shallow adolescence and it discredits what she's saying. I guess presentation is important. Speech impediments I have no problem with - stutter? Not a problem at all. I don't associate a stutter with anything negative. But I've probably formed a negative opinion of people who uptalk, same as people who insert the word "like" into every phrase.
post edited by sharke - 2015/06/23 08:48:05
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2015/06/23 10:28:01
It's funny how we change our perception of the value of someone's opinion based upon factors like this. Some people from the northern US still consider people with a strong southern drawl to be ignorant or less intelligent. Someone with a missing front tooth is assumed to be foolish. Go out in public with a slack jaw and they'll think they've found the missing link. Walk into that meeting still wearing your ear socks and no one will hear a single word you say.
We match patterns. We're extremely good at it. When we see a repetitive pattern, we assume it will continue to repeat and we act accordingly. When someone starts uptalking, we immediately associate it with all of the other uptalkers we've observed, and assume that this individual will exhibit all of the other traits we've observed with uptalkers in the past. When the pattern is broken, we're not sure how to interpret the data and we search to find or create a new pattern to fill the gap. (Wait, that uptalker is a genius! She must be pretending to uptalk in an attempt to dumb it down for the rest of us.)
...And yes, I share your opinion about uptalkers and people who use "like" in every phrase. Tots lame.
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Like, whatever???
Uptalked.
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Now everyone of that age sounds identical to me, I can barely tell them apart.
And all their music is just loud banging and screaming and it too all sounds alike.
Hippies!
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 09:36:50
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It's a practical demonstration? that the person talking has little? or no understanding of the correct use of language? where a rising inflection infers a question?
The natural assumption is that like what they are saying is literally just as flawed? as like the way they are saying it? If they can't like even learn to speak like their native language correctly? or understand that they're literally like using tone of voice incorrectly? then anything they say? is like literally reduced to the level of a Bapu post?
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 09:39:25
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Like you guys, is there like a problem here or something?
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2015/06/23 09:52:43
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 Some people from the South are slow? Wait...  How you dress can matter.  "It's, like, whatever!"
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☄ Helpfulby Karyn 2015/06/23 10:15:32
Karyn
It's a practical demonstration? that the person talking has little? or no understanding of the correct use of language? where a rising inflection infers a question?
The natural assumption is that like what they are saying is literally just as flawed? as like the way they are saying it? If they can't like even learn to speak like their native language correctly? or understand that they're literally like using tone of voice incorrectly? then anything they say? is like literally reduced to the level of a Bapu post?
Robby? did you get Karyn's login password????
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It's a practical demonstration? that the person talking has little? or no understanding of the correct use of language? where a rising inflection infers a question?
The natural assumption is that like what they are saying is literally just as flawed? as like the way they are saying it? If they can't like even learn to speak like their native language correctly? or understand that they're literally like using tone of voice incorrectly? then anything they say? is like literally reduced to the level of a Bapu post?
I have a friend on Facebook, in her late 40's, who punctuates every sentence with two question marks. For example: "I've just been to the gym ?? Did 2 hours on the elliptical ?? Feeling tired ?? Can't wait for dinner ??"
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/06/23 12:16:29
Oh? Are you, like, making fun of me? I'm so sure? Like, for reals? Whatever? As if? I tots do not sound like that? I think it's, like, sad, like a clearance sale at K-Mart? I mean, are you so totally threatened that you have to, like, copy me or whatever? It's like, so totally lame, right? I mean, there are real problems in the world, like starvations and wars and software piracy and stuff and you're, like, worried about mocking me? Why don't you, like, turn on a TV and learn something? You need to accessorize and prioritize your, like, priorities and stuff?
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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I literally died laughing??
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Oh? Are you, like, making fun of me? I'm so sure? Like, for reals? Whatever? As if? I tots do not sound like that? I think it's, like, sad, like a clearance sale at K-Mart? I mean, are you so totally threatened that you have to, like, copy me or whatever? It's like, so totally lame, right? I mean, there are real problems in the world, like starvations and wars and software piracy and stuff and you're, like, worried about mocking me? Why don't you, like, turn on a TV and learn something? You need to accessorize and prioritize your, like, priorities and stuff?
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Oh? Are you, like, making fun of me? I'm so sure? Like, for reals? Whatever? As if? I tots do not sound like that? I think it's, like, sad, like a clearance sale at K-Mart? I mean, are you so totally threatened that you have to, like, copy me or whatever? It's like, so totally lame, right? I mean, there are real problems in the world, like starvations and wars and software piracy and stuff and you're, like, worried about mocking me? Why don't you, like, turn on a TV and learn something? You need to accessorize and prioritize your, like, priorities and stuff?
The accessories on my stuff is none of your business...
Software piracy? 
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Just received a message from Cake: "Your post titled 'Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk' in forum 'Coffee House' was restored from the recycle bin." The post is located here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3243364 Maybe I'm just slow but I have no idea what's going on there....
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2015/06/23 13:22:14
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Here we go loopty loo(p)??
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Just received a message from Cake:
"Your post titled 'Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk' in forum 'Coffee House' was restored from the recycle bin."
The post is located here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3243364
Maybe I'm just slow but I have no idea what's going on there....
Heh, I got one of those too. Maybe they think we're talking about a competitors products (Vocal Fry and Uptalk)?
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
2015/06/23 14:38:32
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It's a practical demonstration? that the person talking has little? or no understanding of the correct use of language? where a rising inflection infers a question?
where a rising inflection [ infers] implies a question? Awkward.
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2015/06/23 15:50:10
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Just received a message from Cake:
"Your post titled 'Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk' in forum 'Coffee House' was restored from the recycle bin."
The post is located here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3243364
Maybe I'm just slow but I have no idea what's going on there....
Heh, I got one of those too. Maybe they think we're talking about a competitors products (Vocal Fry and Uptalk)?
Don't be giving IK Multimedia any more iOS app ideas!
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Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk
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Just received a message from Cake:
"Your post titled 'Re: Young women's speech patterns - Vocal Fry and Uptalk' in forum 'Coffee House' was restored from the recycle bin."
The post is located here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3243364
Maybe I'm just slow but I have no idea what's going on there....
That'll be me restoring all the posts that Akismet deleted, just about all I've been doing all day...
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