gswitz
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Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
I went to a show last night at Tin Pan in Richmond, VA and the guy running sound was using Pro Tools. I said I liked Sonar and he said his Audio Engineering school had advised against Sonar.
He was pretty good at what he did. The band sounded pretty good. I'd have been proud of the mix if it had been me doing it.
I guess the wind was a little taken out of my sails. No big thing really. But there you go. I'm going to get the tracks to mix later. :-) That should be fun.
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 08:21:44
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gswitz
he said his Audio Engineering school had advised against Sonar.
Did he say why?
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 09:38:12
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I sense the work of the self-appointed elitist group known as the, "You can only be serious about audio if you use a Mac - Corporation of Anusdom Pty Ltd."
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 10:56:49
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I am continually amazed by the misinformation on Sonar out there in the community.
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 11:02:13
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More the "I use Pro Tools because all the real professionals do, that's why it's called PRO in the first place" school of thought I suspect.
I do know a guy who once spent many thousands setting up what he hoped would be a commercial studio who decided not to use Sonar because "it does MIDI, but I'm a PRO and I won't have MIDI on the premises, I want to record real musicians not music written by computers". He also rejected Logic and Cubase on the same grounds and went for Pro Tools HD "because it's for PROS".
His career as a recording studio owner/engineer/producer wasn't as successful as he hoped....
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Moshkito
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 11:16:43
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Hi,
I guess in competition all's fair!
I prefer to not say anything and just move along. It's almost the same as which lollipop do you like best! And any of us getting involved in that discussion ... yeah ... I question your motives too!
And yes, I do have Sonar!
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 11:34:05
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/01/30 12:42:40
The Kid probably has talent .
He is young and impressionable . As a student he listened to his teacher and he probably want's to come off like he is a Pro .....
Can't really fault him for that ...he is probably doing the best he can with the info he has been given .
Given the right circumstances , he probably could use anything that's out there after giving it a little time getting familiar with the program ...
Kenny
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 11:48:15
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 13:14:41
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jbow
Question authority.
You bet. Here, too!
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 14:56:25
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It's not a matter of what Sonar or Cubase or Studio One can do. It's been a long time since the Pro Tools guys have abandoned their misconceptions. And if one contracts gigs on his own and brings his rig and all, then, sure Sonar or anything works. But if Avatar studios or anyone of those guys call you for an internship tomorrow, being proficient w/ Sonar doesn't mean a thing, no matter how much "better" one finds it . They need Pro Tools guys. We were discussing with a studio owner recently and he was telling us that he had a tough time finding a guy who could not only use Pro Tools, but the hardware that runs with it and all (not to mention mic a drum kit). Set-up a session and work according to certain standards - so when the mix engineer gets involved, no time is wasted trying to figure out what's where and re-organizing everything. Dozens of kids came to him boasting that they could "mix music" but they had no clue how to work in a context where other people were involved, and where the opportunity that they are presented might have nothing to do with mixing. Unless you're dead set on being an independent, learning Pro Tools remains a must.
post edited by Rain - 2016/01/30 15:11:45
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gswitz
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 18:23:22
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I had recorded this band five times or so. He had no idea whether I know anything or not. I recommended a little more kick and he did add it. I think I wanted to feel a little solidarity with him. He mentioned the exorbitant cost of Pro Tools. He said it was like 1k or 1.5k depending on what you get. You know, I may have started with Sonar because of the price. I think he was graciously excusing my choice because of the cost. I told him it costs me 100 a year to stay on the top version. That got his attention. I mentioned Ubuntu studio and that got his attention too.
post edited by gswitz - 2016/01/30 18:57:20
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 19:28:57
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gswitz
He mentioned the exorbitant cost of Pro Tools. He said it was like 1k or 1.5k depending on what you get.
Pro Tools cost me a total of $298 - initial purchase of Pro Tools MP for $99 in 2012 and the upgrade to PT full for $199 in 2014. Free updates and support until end of March 2016, and a perpetual license. Not a bad deal. :) Of course, that's not the super high-end hardware-based version, whatever that's called these days.
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gswitz
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/30 19:43:31
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That sounds entirely reasonable.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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TerraSin
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Re: Youth using Pro Tools to run a show last night
2016/01/31 02:37:24
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Protools has been used in a live setting for a while now. The consoles are actually very good. I'm guessing the kid just came out of Full Sail. That is a school you go to when you want to be a "professional roadie" and your parents have too much money to blow. People who go there are generally not respected in the industry because the school doesn't teach them how to be on the road; just how to be button pushers, the kids come out arrogant and with a sense of entitlement that they quickly need to lose when they get on a tour or life becomes very difficult for them.
Sonar is not what I'd consider a road worthy product. Great in the studio but for a life show, not so much. ProTools is designed for it.
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