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2015/12/22 14:39:07 (permalink)

Z3TA+2

Up until today, I hadn't installed the update to Z3TA following the comments of many members stating that existing projects wouldn't honour installed patches.
 
So.... today I installed it via the CCC following the advice given in the Lexington thread.
I have only installed it on my laptop as I use this as a test bed so if anything goes wrong, it's not catastrophic.
 
Opening up version 2.2.1, I am greeted with totally blank Presets. Nothing at all is available. Any ideas anyone?

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 14:50:15 (permalink)
    Zeta+2 looks at "UserData Path" in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\z3ta+\2.0. Mine is set to "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2." The path contains the following

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 14:57:59 (permalink)
    Hi Steve.
     
    Looking at the Registry entries, there doesn't appear to be anything referring to Program Data:
     
    edit: image removed due to exposed credentials - sc
    post edited by scook - 2015/12/22 15:21:27

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 15:04:27 (permalink)
    It is using the "UserData Path"
    Yours is set the same as mine.
    The path to the programs folder should be "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"
    My programs folder has a lot of 3rd party stuff in it but yours should at least have the "Factory Content" folder and a couple of others. Here is what my program folder looks like:
     

     
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 15:37:41 (permalink)
    Steve, whilst my Programs folder doesn't contain as much as yours, there are a few there, more or less what I was expecting, including Factory Content.
     
    So  why isn't Z3TA seeing them?
     
    I can open it up and choose "Load Program", navigate to the Programs folder and it loads any patch I choose.
     
    The 3 boxes at the top read, from left to right:
     
    Programs
    Factory Content
    ---
     
     
    The Programs dropdown shows the other packs but selecting them does nothing.
     
    The box with --- does exactly nothing

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 15:58:50 (permalink)
    I can make Z3ta+2 fail they way you are describing if the program folders are located in ""C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs\Programs"
     
    IOW, having the programs one level too deep.
    post edited by scook - 2015/12/22 16:12:09
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 17:32:23 (permalink)
    This is bizarre.
     
    I've modified the registry key several times, as follows:
     
    C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Z3TA+ 2
    C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Z3TA+ 2\Programs
    C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Z3TA+ 2\Programs\Programs
     
    C:\Cakewalk Content
    C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2
    C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs
     
    With exactly the same results each time
     
    I've copied all of the program files so it *should* be finding them.
     
    Glad I've not tried on my DAW!!

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 18:47:46 (permalink)
    Is the the VST3 plug-in?
    Have you verified the about screen shows version 2.2.1?
    Does the stand alone fail the same way?
    Are you using a custom menu layout?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 20:13:12 (permalink)
    Out of curiosity, if you try and manually load a program (you have to go through the Program menu and click Load .fxp, I believe) from one of those menus, does it load properly?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 22:36:43 (permalink)
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    It is using the "UserData Path"
    Yours is set the same as mine.
    The path to the programs folder should be "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"

     
    Just a clarification, this path is the real path to the folder containing the programs, but in the "UserData Path" registry entry it's as you said above ; that is, there's no "\Programs" on the end.

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/22 22:50:59 (permalink)
    Yes, the default value in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\z3ta+\2.0 "UserData Path" is "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2" which contains the folders:

     
    There was an image of the registry in post #3 which had the default value. The image was removed because it contained registration data.
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 04:07:49 (permalink)
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    Is the the VST3 plug-in?
    Have you verified the about screen shows version 2.2.1?
    Does the stand alone fail the same way?
    Are you using a custom menu layout?


    1 - No, VST2
    2 - Yes
    3 - Yes
    4 - No

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 04:08:01 (permalink)
    John Joseph [Cakewalk]
    Out of curiosity, if you try and manually load a program (you have to go through the Program menu and click Load .fxp, I believe) from one of those menus, does it load properly?


    Yes

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 09:47:19 (permalink)
    Does the VST3 version work correctly?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 10:35:37 (permalink)
    Hey @Bristol_Jonesey Sorry for the trouble here. Your problem seems to be that Z3TA is looking for the programs in the "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" which I would assume is an empty folder.
     
    If this is the case, remove that folder (or move it elsewhere if it has important things in it) and re-run the installer and Z3TA should work.
     
    If that is not the case or you have any other questions let me know.
     
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 17:34:40 (permalink)
    Hey guys, a bit more feedback.
     
    I've updated Sonar to Lexington and the Z3TA+2 to 2.2.1 on another computer and it works fine, with but one caveat: I only have the VST2 version available, there is no VST3. But I don't really care about that -  it works!
     
    Back to the laptop. I've reinstalled Z from the CCC, same as last night. I downloaded it directly from my products, same story. Menu items only, no programs available.
     
    Now, here's where it gets interesting - the laptop ONLY has the VST3 option available, there's no VST2 in the "Default All Plugins" list of plugins.
     
    Going into the Plugin manager, there IS a VST2 version, so the first question is why doesn't it appear under the "Default All Plugins" menu option?
     
    So I made a very simple custom menu, added the VST3 version it and now it can be selected as normal.
    But even now, there are still no Programs available in the synth gui.
     
    This is getting completely screwy. Not sure what to do next.
     
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    Z3TA is looking for the programs in the "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" which I would assume is an empty folder.quote/]
     
    I looked this last night and ended up copying the entire Programs folder so that it ended up in "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" and also in "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"
     
    Is this likely to cause problems? Like I said, I only use the laptop as a testing bed, never for serious music making, but it would be nice to get it sorted.
     
     

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 17:53:40 (permalink)
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    Going into the Plugin manager, there IS a VST2 version, so the first question is why doesn't it appear under the "Default All Plugins" menu option?

    Depends on on VST3 migration settings in Preferences > File > VST Settings. The VST2 plug-in will not be displayed if "Hide Related VST2 Plug-ins" is enabled.

     
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    I looked this last night and ended up copying the entire Programs folder so that it ended up in "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" and also in "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"
     
    Is this likely to cause problems? Like I said, I only use the laptop as a testing bed, never for serious music making, but it would be nice to get it sorted.

    I don't think it matters how many copies of the programs are on the PC. Z3ta+2 only looks in one place for the files.
     
    What is the complete path to "- Italo 84 (Pb) BT -.Fxp" in Factory Content "- Showcase -" in Cakewalk Content?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/23 19:05:56 (permalink)
    I am guessing only the 64bit version was updated. Was a 32bit version ever installed?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/25 01:41:42 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
    Going into the Plugin manager, there IS a VST2 version, so the first question is why doesn't it appear under the "Default All Plugins" menu option?

    Depends on on VST3 migration settings in Preferences > File > VST Settings. The VST2 plug-in will not be displayed if "Hide Related VST2 Plug-ins" is enabled.

    Bristol_Jonesey
    I looked this last night and ended up copying the entire Programs folder so that it ended up in "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" and also in "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"
     
    Is this likely to cause problems? Like I said, I only use the laptop as a testing bed, never for serious music making, but it would be nice to get it sorted.

    I don't think it matters how many copies of the programs are on the PC. Z3ta+2 only looks in one place for the files.
     
    What is the complete path to "- Italo 84 (Pb) BT -.Fxp" in Factory Content "- Showcase -" in Cakewalk Content?


    Complete path is:
     
    C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs\Factory Content\- Showcase -
     
    "The VST2 plug-in will not be displayed if "Hide Related VST2 Plug-ins" is enabled."
     
    Good catch. Switching this off causes the VST2 version to display

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/26 03:51:27 (permalink)
    Update.
     
    I have now completely wiped Z3TA+2 from my system, including what I think are the necessary Registry keys.
     
    Re-installed it again via CCC but still getting the same old story.
     
    There was no option during installation to select VST2 or VST3 but both seem to have been installed

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/26 05:17:33 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
    Going into the Plugin manager, there IS a VST2 version, so the first question is why doesn't it appear under the "Default All Plugins" menu option?

    Depends on on VST3 migration settings in Preferences > File > VST Settings. The VST2 plug-in will not be displayed if "Hide Related VST2 Plug-ins" is enabled.

    Bristol_Jonesey
    I looked this last night and ended up copying the entire Programs folder so that it ended up in "C:/Program Files/Cakewalk/Z3TA+ 2/Programs" and also in "C:\Cakewalk Content\Z3TA+ 2\Programs"
     
    Is this likely to cause problems? Like I said, I only use the laptop as a testing bed, never for serious music making, but it would be nice to get it sorted.

    I don't think it matters how many copies of the programs are on the PC. Z3ta+2 only looks in one place for the files.
     
    What is the complete path to "- Italo 84 (Pb) BT -.Fxp" in Factory Content "- Showcase -" in Cakewalk Content?


    Mine is
    G:\Vstplugins\64Bits\Z3TA+ 2\Programs\Factory Content\- Showcase -
    Here I can see all the .fxps for showcase
     
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/26 07:31:26 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
     
    There was no option during installation to select VST2 or VST3 but both seem to have been installed


    I believe this is normal.
     
    When removing the registry keys, did you look in the 32bit area?
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/27 06:12:54 (permalink)
    hi Steve.
     
    Any chance you can point me to the right place to look for 32 bit keys?
     
     
    Thanks.

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/27 07:51:21 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
     
    There was no option during installation to select VST2 or VST3 but both seem to have been installed


    I believe this is normal.

    normal? i don't remember a plugin that didn't give the option for which variant(s) to install, and where... cake could really up their game regarding their installers

    just a sec

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/27 09:10:39 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
     
    There was no option during installation to select VST2 or VST3 but both seem to have been installed


    I believe this is normal.

    normal?

    In this context, yes. I do not see how a discussion about this ATM, helps the OP.
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/27 09:20:04 (permalink)
     
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    hi Steve.
     
    Any chance you can point me to the right place to look for 32 bit keys?
     
     
    Thanks.


    If there is one it would be HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Cakewalk Music Software\z3ta+\2. Of you did not install the 32bit version, there should be be a 32bit registry entry.
     
    Are the audio/MIDI Loops and the rest of the files SONAR (Arp patterns, CAL scripts, tutorials) installed in Cakewalk Content installed in "C:\Cakewalk Content?"
     
     
     
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/27 09:37:44 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
     
    There was no option during installation to select VST2 or VST3 but both seem to have been installed


    I believe this is normal.

    normal?

    In this context, yes. I do not see how a discussion about this ATM, helps the OP.


    no but it could help in the future, and was on topic :-)

    just a sec

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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/28 03:59:28 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey
    hi Steve.
     
    Any chance you can point me to the right place to look for 32 bit keys?
     
     
    Thanks.


    If there is one it would be HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Cakewalk Music Software\z3ta+\2. Of you did not install the 32bit version, there should be be a 32bit registry entry.
     

    There is no entry for Z3TA under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Cakewalk Music Software
    Are the audio/MIDI Loops and the rest of the files SONAR (Arp patterns, CAL scripts, tutorials) installed in Cakewalk Content installed in "C:\Cakewalk Content?"

    Sort of, they are located in the root of C:\Cakewalk Content\SONAR Platinum
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/28 11:41:14 (permalink)
    That all seems correct. So it would appear everything is installed correctly but Z3ta+2 acts like the programs are one directory level too deep. I am out of ideas hopefully tech support can sort this out.
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    Re: Z3TA+2 2015/12/28 14:02:29 (permalink)
    Hopefully Steve, thanks for your assistance.

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