Hiipie403
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Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
I am looking for an analog style soft synth for use with Music Creator 5. I was thinking about Pentagon 1 as a step up from the free Square 1 but I noticed Z3TA+ is on special for $19.99 at the moment, where as the Pentagon 1 download is $79. Does Pentagon 1 have any real advantages over Z3TA+? (I don't think Z3TA+ does the vocoder stuff for example?) Greg O.
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Teksonik
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/25 21:43:33
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Although Pentagon 1 is a fine synth the $20 deal for Z3ta+ makes it a no brainer. It's more that Z3ta+ has several advantages over Pentagon I.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 00:37:47
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Z3TA is a better synth than pentagon in a lot of ways. It doesn't do vocoding, but there are plenty of other free/cheap vocoders out there. For the price, Z3ta is the deal. @
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Hiipie403
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 01:43:30
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Ahhh, there are demo versions of both available for download. I'm experimenting with the Z3TA+ one now. What are the limitations on the demo versions? They seem to be fully functional, I assume they time expire or something?
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Hiipie403
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 02:34:07
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Periodic volume dropouts. LOL I wish I had known that before I started making a program, I couldn't work out where that strange volume modulation effect was coming from. hahaha
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 06:37:18
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After using both for a couple weeks now, I like how Pentagon1 is a little bit easier to figure out, and seems to do well with imitating Moog sorta sounds, which I love. But then again, you could probably do that with Z3ta+, i just find it quicker to jump in with Pentagon1 for some classic sounds than using Z3ta+ which seems overwhelming at first. But Z3ta+ is really cool, and it can do almost anything you can think of. At $19.99 you can't go wrong. It really is a no-brainer.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 07:03:30
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It should be noted that some people are having serial number issues with their recently purchased Z3ta's. http://www.kvraudio.com/f...t=289633&start=240 It appears Cakewalk's poor customer service is still a probelm. Also it should be noted that there is a bug in the Midi file to Arp import. It has never worked for me and several others as well. We tried getting a fix through Cakewalk's customer "support" ticket system and got nowhere so the bug is still there.............after three years.............Doesn't affect the sound you just can't create your own midi files to be used in the Arp and import them reliably. There is also an issue with pre 1.5 presets not sounding right, It's discussed in the link I provided above. Rene, seriously have some pride in your work and fix Z3ta+ if you're going to continue selling it. But having said all that for $20 Z3ta+ is still a no brainer.................it just might take awhile to get it up and registered.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 07:10:15
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For anyone interested I'm using this skin by Jorgen of nBeat. I edited the colors a bit. Not as dark as the original. Check out Jorgen's excellent graphics for Pentagon 1 and Z3ta+ here: http://www.omnitaur.se/
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rm5700@optonline.net
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 15:34:19
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I like that skin, pretty cool! The only thing is some letters are twisted around, but it makes it look cool in a way. Is it ok to edit that skin as long as I don't distribute it?
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Hiipie403
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/26 18:54:54
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I bought the download version of Z3TA+, guess what, no serial number e-mail yet LOL. I'm guessing their process isn't fully automated and I'll get it in due course when someone is in the office. So much for 15 minutes like they say on the shop page. Same thing happened with my Music Creator 5 serial number.
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rm5700@optonline.net
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/27 15:17:27
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Hiipie403 I bought the download version of Z3TA+, guess what, no serial number e-mail yet LOL. I'm guessing their process isn't fully automated and I'll get it in due course when someone is in the office. So much for 15 minutes like they say on the shop page. Same thing happened with my Music Creator 5 serial number. Hopefully you'll get that serial number tomorrow, you'll have fun with Z3ta+ and it will be worth the wait.
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Teksonik
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/27 19:00:11
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rm5700@optonline.net I like that skin, pretty cool! The only thing is some letters are twisted around, but it makes it look cool in a way. Is it ok to edit that skin as long as I don't distribute it? Yes I love the Vostok skin. Jorgen is a genius at GUI design. If I remember correctly Jorgen is ok with edits but I haven't communicated with him for quite some time. Is there a contact address at his website?
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rm5700@optonline.net
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/28 06:52:38
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Teksonik rm5700@optonline.net I like that skin, pretty cool! The only thing is some letters are twisted around, but it makes it look cool in a way. Is it ok to edit that skin as long as I don't distribute it? Yes I love the Vostok skin. Jorgen is a genius at GUI design. If I remember correctly Jorgen is ok with edits but I haven't communicated with him for quite some time. Is there a contact address at his website? I didn't see an email address on his page.
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Teksonik
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/28 19:32:06
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/06/29 05:38:29
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Ok cool, thanks
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/07/07 07:13:17
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I had a problem in getting the serial numebr for the download version of Z3TA+, but full marks to Cakewalk - my email to them was answered within two working days, with firstly an apology (they were apparently overwhelmed by the response to the bargain price) and secondly the much needed serial number. As rm5700 says - at $19.95 - a no-brainer. Great synth.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/07/14 13:33:59
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Be sure to download the free Muz3um patches for Z3TA+. I downloaded the Rapture version of Muz3um and I love it! Even though the OP has already made up his mind, I gotta say that I much prefer Pentagon to Z3TA. My opinion might be a bit skewed since I'm only using my soft synths for their presets (I save my programming time for hardware synths). I really dislike many of the Z3TA presets, while I've found tons of Pentagon presets that I like. I can't comment on the tweakability of either synth other than to say that Pentagon looks much simpler and intuitive.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/07/14 14:33:54
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/07/24 07:15:18
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my opinion is the pentagon has a better sound than the z3ta, i usually go by what the raw waveforms sound like and the wavetables in the z3ta sound a bit too thin, it helps the z3ta having effects to fatten the sound up, but if you want classic analog sounds i say the pentagon is your best bet, z3ta is great for programing(shaping the waveforms etc), but you really have to do some tweeking with effects to fatten the sounds up, rapture would be a good move, the subtractor or the thor in reason are good shouts too
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/07/28 05:05:34
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It's a special topic for me , I get much useful information from it .thanks very much !
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/03 18:13:53
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Where can I get the Muz3um patches for Z3TA+? I've seen them for Rapture. Do they also have them for Z3TA+?
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/03 19:33:05
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I think they are at patcharena.com Try there, then Krv.com
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/04 00:15:10
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I love this skin. Problem is, the right side gets clipped. Does anyone know how I can fix this. Thanks!
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Teksonik
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/04 08:06:24
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/06 12:26:16
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Teksonik What skin? skin by Jorgen of nBeat Oops, I meant the skin by Jorgen of nBeat. The right side is slightly cut off when I open Pentagon in Sonar 8.5.3. The image looks fine in Windows Explorer, btw.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/06 12:29:06
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Thanks. I downloaded the zip file from Patch Arena, but got an error when I tried to unzip it. (I forgot what the error was, sorry.) Does anyone know if there is something wrong with the zip file? Thanks!
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/06 12:31:08
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mleghorn Thanks. I downloaded the zip file from Patch Arena, but got an error when I tried to unzip it. (I forgot what the error was, sorry.) Does anyone know if there is something wrong with the zip file? Thanks! Oops again -- I meant the Muz z3ta+ patches. Has anyone been able to download and use them? Thanks!
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Teksonik
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/08 06:28:01
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mleghorn Teksonik What skin? skin by Jorgen of nBeat Oops, I meant the skin by Jorgen of nBeat. The right side is slightly cut off when I open Pentagon in Sonar 8.5.3. The image looks fine in Windows Explorer, btw. Which one of Jorgen's Pentagon skins are you using? Genesis? Vostok? They work fine here in 8.5.3
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/12 12:39:53
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I'm using the Vostok skin.
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Re:Z3TA+ versus Pentagon 1
2010/08/12 21:26:10
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Hmmmm that's weird. I'm using a modified Vostok skin here...........How did you install the skin?
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