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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/29 23:35:11
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P.S. Am i the only one who sees every one of their posts "last updated 30 minutes ago" immediately after posting?
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 00:21:30
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Sometimes I am bizarrely comforted by the fact that both my parents were killed in separate accidents when I was a toddler and I am an only child. My widowed grandmother, who raised me, has long since passed and I am left to watch such petty, vindictive self serving nonsense among other "families" take place. What is it with the human animal?
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 01:03:00
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It seems that the only thing that's important any more is money. Sad. P.S., No you're not the only one. Everything is posted 30 minutes ago I guess - a time parallax caused by Bubba I believe.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 11:15:19
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i just came to post the same thing, also 30 minutes ago, it's all a bit sad really
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 11:36:34
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I know a guy that's been through a very similar thing. I can't tell you how brutal it becomes once the lawyers get going. Something about money turns anyone into a heartless bit of excrement once the sum is large enough.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 15:10:50
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Legal insanity. When a guy can't use his own last name, nor display a photograph of his own father due to legal restrictions, that's just plain nuts. And to make it even more surreal, the entity enforcing the prohibitions has the disingenuous name of "Zappa Family Trust". With mom 'n dad gone, that leaves only the two kids to comprise the Zappa family, which apparently the family trust does not represent. Insanity. And you're right; Frank would not approve.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/04/30 15:21:21
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What is totally stupid about this is that Dweezil has greatly enhanced the value of the Zappa Trust/Estate by keeping the best of his dad's excellent and varied oeuvre in regular performance, with his superb Zappa Plays Zappa concerts and recordings. They ought to let DZ perform Frank Zappa music for some minimal amount. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6YKJX-dXIM
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 04:38:48
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What kind of convoluted legalese and logical somersaults does it take to prevent someone from using their legal, birth-given last name as they see fit? And I don't want to think about the kind of language necessary to prevent someone from being able to legally present themselves as their father's son. The whole thing is ridiculous. From the article: "I’m not allowed to use my own connection with him without some sort of deal to be struck.” What happens if he has to present his birth certificate somewhere? Is he in breach of contract just by existing?
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 10:46:41
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Rain P.S. Am i the only one who sees every one of their posts "last updated 30 minutes ago" immediately after posting?
The same here !
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 10:54:53
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Hi, If my name was Dweezil, I would stop playing his dad's material ... altogether, even in concert ... and say at the end of the show that because of legalese stupidity, he would rather not support an enterprise that does not give a damn about the family and is hurting the music itself by locking it up ... and play only his own work. Besides, it's time for him to create his own ..."The Rat Symphony with the Hot Tea" for his own audience, and tell the rest of the so-called "trust" to take a big hike. After 6 months, when the sales drop like bricks, those folks will stop their stupidity, but it might be too late to save anything. Even more stupid is the judge, that needs his head examined. I would have told the folks to go home and I want to see you both here tomorrow without lawyers, in my chambers, and I'm bringing the whips and the chains and the enemas! The whole thing is just sick, and even sicker than a song or two ... I can handle those ... but this is just plain right stupid and bad publicity and Dweezil needs to stick it to his other folks that have no respect or understanding for the music itself. Dweezil, at least, is out on the road trying to sell the material in the vaults ... and those other folks are ... sitting at home collecting and counting the money! Just sick ... of the sick ... and Frank's fault and Gail's silliness, for not ensuring that this could not happen, and having a better idea of the estimation of the huge compositional work they had at hand. So typical, in a country where commercial interests are more important than the work/music itself ... just makes me puke ... and I'm not buying anything Zappa until they come to their knees and apologize and grow up! I will probably be done and dead before that happens, but screw them! I just absolutely despite this kind of respect for an artist ... and Frank has had enough abuse ... even in the grave! And now they are trying to turn Gail over. Pragi
Rain P.S. Am i the only one who sees every one of their posts "last updated 30 minutes ago" immediately after posting?
The same here !
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 14:57:06
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This is Gail's legacy. "Controlling people" always create divides between other people, between those who are submissive and those who aern't. I've seen it before but it took me a lot of years before I saw it for what it is. Power and/or money are at the root of most, if not ALL evil. Sad. J
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 15:33:38
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/05/01 17:01:39
jbow Power and/or LOVE OF money are at the root of most, if not ALL evil.
Sorry, felt the need to modify your statement. There's nothing wrong with money, quite the opposite! It's the blood of an economy and, like blood, it doesn't work if it accumulates all in one place and doesn't circulate. This is also one of the most misquoted verses in the Bible (from 1 Timothy).
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 17:16:35
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craigb
jbow Power and/or LOVE OF money are at the root of most, if not ALL evil.
Sorry, felt the need to modify your statement. There's nothing wrong with money, quite the opposite! It's the blood of an economy and, like blood, it doesn't work if it accumulates all in one place and doesn't circulate. This is also one of the most misquoted verses in the Bible (from 1 Timothy).
Yes, thank you... that is what I meant to say. Julien
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/01 18:30:42
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/05/02 12:04:48
Frank should have sorted all that out before he died. He had time to do so but for what ever reason he did not. Dweezil needs to start writing and performing his own music. I agree it is dumb though how it has turned out. Frank's music was amazing and Dweezil should have the option to perform it without any issues what so ever.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/02 21:11:42
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Didn't he release a solo album just last year? I'm guessing that his fanbase is primarily interested in Frank's catalogue. Maybe because they can only stomach so much "odd music" and prefer when it's certified "classic". So the focus is on Zappa Plays Zappa.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/03 09:53:22
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Damn, that has to be a new world record in pettiness. Even before, when his own mother charged Dweez 'an exorbitant fee' to use 'Zappa plays Zappa'. F* me, you'd think she'd be proud.
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Re: Zappa vs Zappa - What would Frank Z. think of this...
2016/05/04 08:49:57
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jbow This is Gail's legacy. "Controlling people" always create divides between other people, between those who are submissive and those who aern't. I've seen it before but it took me a lot of years before I saw it for what it is. Power and/or money are at the root of most, if not ALL evil. Sad. J
jbow This is Gail's legacy. "Controlling people" always create divides between other people, between those who are submissive and those who aern't. I've seen it before but it took me a lot of years before I saw it for what it is. Power and/or money are at the root of most, if not ALL evil. Sad. J
(wrote this for you J) The same thing has happened in my family, and mom, pretty much did her own thing, and while I am not exactly in favor of it, the hard/harsh part is that none (that's right NONE) of the 9 children have any say on anything, and the whole library gets sent to Lisbon and it will likely remain in crates for the next 200 years or so. and probably busted by an over eager ocean that invaded the basement of the cathedral or building that it is at. The worst part is the publishing, since mom did not think, EVER, that the children were anything but ... just children ... that would not know or understand "literature", because they were not professors with 2.1 kids and a car and some kind of "tenure" to prove that they have arrived at the academic club that knows and decides that you and I are peons, and not worthy of attention or opinion. Gail made the same mistake. My mom made sure that if the 9 kids could not agree -- and we never have -- on something, that it could not be done. Guess what ... same thing at Zappa ... one is a struggling musician and the rest are just hang'ers on, and collecting the free money! And in this case, the hang'ers on are winning, since Dweezil's is more interested in playing than worrying about anything else. For this reason, I think that Dweezil needs to life the proverbial MAD finger in the next album and say, that his music is now number one, and that the ZFT is no longer going to gain a single cent from his own work and such. At that point, the ZFT's ability to keep the music moving forward, will fail ... and lose a lot since they are not folks that know "public" and "people" and they are only interested in alienating those not "behind them". It's their choice ... it's their trust. In my book they do not see the forest for the trees or how many trees even makes a forest! Likewise, we have dumb issues ... my mom trusted someone to publish this and that, and a year later when the book came out ... you should have seen the list of dirty laundry ... and some of my sisters were not happy, and I would have filed a lawsuit to re-establish the trust and nail that book to the bathroom TP rack! As I said, one of the saddest things is ... every house and every country has a GOD and the children don't mean poop ... and sometimes, even writing it here, is sad ... there will be another post that ignores it and spreads even more poop on it. Sympathy not necessary, but a little respect would be nice, and there is none more often than not! Even for what is personal and has nothing to do with the intellect of the .... whatever! So tired of it all!
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