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2010/12/02 14:49:37 (permalink)

Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5

I have just about given up on Sonor. Three calls were made to Sonor to help me with me getting my Zoom R16 to work. I got the recording to work but no sound. Everything that could possibly be tried has been tried, but still spending too much time trying to get it to work than actually creating anything. I don't have the same problem with Cubase or Magix. Why the big problem with Sonor?  I will probably take a loss and put it on ebay.
Now all opf a sudden i cannot even record.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/02 16:42:45 (permalink)
    Did you install the latest driver from ZOOM?
    http://www.zoom.co.jp/eng...oad/software/r16.php#c

    Have you selected ASIO as your driver format in SONAR?
    What steps have you taken?

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/02 19:22:17 (permalink)
    Without knowing how you have it set up and what things you tried, I would say its a configuration problem between the 2. If you give detailed info on the set-up, then We can narrow it down to a specific setting or problem, but without that, its a guessing game
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/02 22:16:55 (permalink)
    I have just about given up on Sonor. Three calls were made to Sonor to help me with me getting my Zoom R16 to work. I got the recording to work but no sound. Everything that could possibly be tried has been tried, but still spending too much time trying to get it to work than actually creating anything. I don't have the same problem with Cubase or Magix. Why the big problem with Sonor?  I will probably take a loss and put it on ebay. Now all opf a sudden i cannot even record.



    First of all, its Sonar. Sonor is a drum manufacturer. 

    Second, you might as well learn how to use it, because you can't sell it legally on eBAY. 

    Lastly, you haven't tried everything, because if you did, it would be working like it works for all of us. 

    If you provide us with more info, and less threats, perhaps we could help you. 

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonar 8.5 2010/12/02 22:23:05 (permalink)
    First of all, its Sonar. Sonar is a drum manufacturer. 


    First off, there one hell of a drum manufacturer  :)
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/02 22:30:13 (permalink)
    I'm using an R16 with Sonar with no problem.  I think ASIO4All works better than the Zoom driver, but that's personal preference. As I recall, the Zoom driver on the CD was hinky, but the latest one works (in 32 bit, anyway). That and Options/Audio--ASIO not WDM, as Storm mentioned.


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/02 22:46:59 (permalink)
    Ok, a couple of  other things:  Are you sure you're in USB mode on the R16?  Press the USB button (upper right, middle of the second row) press enter, right button, reset, enter. This also works if the R16 has reset itself to 96khz, which it does for no apparent reason occasionally.


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/03 01:01:16 (permalink)
    I have the G2.1Nu and agree with Clint that it's not the best performing driver out there so heed his advice on that end of it. The advice here should get you going no problem.

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/05 14:47:26 (permalink)
    I have download the new  R16 driver for windows 7 64 bit. I have gone to advance in Sonar (Sonor) Slip of the keyboard, I realize that! Advance in SONAR set ASIO then to Drivers and set it to Zoom R16, but still no connection? Daveny 5 you don't have to be so ignorant!  We are all not geniuses. I just need help and getting very frustrated.
    I have been a musician all my life and sucessfull as well, but after using Cubase I thought I would try Sonor, but Cubase works fine but not Sonar somehow?
    Yes it is set to USB mode. Maybe legally I cannot sell it on Ebay but I will give it to someone if I don't get it working as I cannot get my money back on software.
    I apreciate any help I can get without the ignorant comments. Thank you guys for trying to help.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/05 20:53:00 (permalink)
    Daveny 5 you don't have to be so ignorant! 



    I try to help and you insult me. Good luck.

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/05 22:47:10 (permalink)
    Ok, did you check Control Panel >Hardware and Sound>Sound> Manage Audio Devices> [Select] Zoom R16?  Does it show up in the list?  If not, try unplugging it and repluging. If it  doesn't show up, then switch out the USB cable.  Also, make sure you don't have any other programs monopolizing the interface.  In other words, restart the computer, check that the R16 says "Sample Rate =44.1khz" check the Control Panel (above) and start Sonar. Cubase or any other audio programs will prevent Sonar from using the interface if they're running. 
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/05 22:55:06 (permalink)
    Still not enough info just anger..hmmm? Clint here should be your best helper, he has a working system, please try his advice but it is a courtesy to list your system specs and setting so we can help, otherwise there are 1,000 possibilities. Lets narrow it down. 
    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/12/05 22:57:47
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 00:58:34 (permalink)
    Pentium Dual. Windows 7 64 bit. 8 gig meg 640 gig hard drive. Sonor 8.5 Zoom R16. Cubase. Magix. Samplitude. Band -In-A-Box. Lexicon Omega. All of the above work fine except Sonar.
    The only person I insulted was daveny for making usless remarks. I apreciate all the other help I am getting. Anger no. Just frustration. I used  Cakewalk in the 80's when it was on an Amiga which I still have. I do use that for some old midi files that I still have. So I have been at this compuetr bussiness a long time, but never had the problems that I am getting until now.  I also use three Mac's for various other projects mainly graphics. I have tried all of the drivers that are listed in Sonars list, but I get nothing. I do get a midi file playing through the computer using the computers audio card. But no audio connection even when it says there is a driver labeled. I have tried the 44 hz frequency.
    I really don't know what else I can tell you more than I have.
    I have been working at this for three weeks now.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 01:09:34 (permalink)
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 12:40:19 (permalink)
    http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/r16/
    64bit operating system is not supported.

    They haven't written 64 bit drivers yet.

    And as has been pointed out earlier, it is called SONAR.

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 14:03:37 (permalink)
    Hmmm , seems you were looking in the wrong place for your drivers. Best to always check the manufactures web site first. If what Storm is saying is true you will have to set up a dual boot and use a 32 bit OS.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 15:04:38 (permalink)
    There seems to be drivers for 64bit
    For Windows Vista / 7 (64bit) Version 1.3.0
    http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/download/software/r16.php

    Give it a try.


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 15:19:33 (permalink)
    Good call.

    On the site for the Product they say "64bit operating system is not supported." in a bullet point but their drivers' page says a new version does work in 64 bit.

    It seems they forgot to update their page when they released the driver.

    That would mean the driver with the product as shipped won't work but the new one should. Wait, I referenced that page in my first post in this thread. D'OH!

    I'm going back to read this thread again.......

    The OP says he has the latest drivers......so there's obviously something else going on.

    OP, why this: "Sonar (Sonor)" ....are you trying to be belligerent to the people trying to help you?

    Question to the smarter people....is it possible that SONAR won't use the drivers if its being used by some other app? I know there's the "Share drivers with other programs." in Preferences but I know sometimes if Windows grabs it to use it for sounds then there are issues because Windows or some other app (Cubase) hasn't let it go. Is that something that could be something for him to check?


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 15:58:26 (permalink)
    First thing I do is go to the control panel and make sure my interface is the one showing, I don't have W7 so cannot help step by step.
    As example , I just installed the drivers for my M-Audio FT into my netbook. There was no sound. It showed in control panel but close inspection revealed it had defaulted to SPDIF in and out. Pay attention to details.
    Then go to Sonar and make sure the device is the one checked under Options/Audio/drivers.
    It will show the Zoom if the drivers are there. Do not check anything other than the drivers that say Zoom. If the Zoom does not show then you need to install the drivers as posted above.
    98% of the posts here = " help no sound" are solved with these easy steps.
    The other software might be using your on board sound card. 

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 16:23:53 (permalink)
    johnnyV,
    I bet you hit the mark on this advice. It does sound like the R16 isn't set up as an audio interface in Windows. The OP definitely needs to check the Control Panel and see what device Windows is using for audio.
     
    Hope that helps,
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 16:54:36 (permalink)
    The other software might be using your on board sound card.

    A point worth checking. Are you sure Magix and Cubase are using the Zoom?

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 18:20:43 (permalink)
    he's probably gone anyway.... :)

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/06 18:36:32 (permalink)
    I'm using W7 64 bit, Sonar32 bit ASIO4All with my R16, so it's not a 64 bit thing.  The Zoom driver worked too, but in my (admittedly brief) experiment with Sonar 64 bit something was stuttering.  I switched back to Sonar 32 bit and used ASIO4All after that and it's been smooth since then.  In any case, the problem's not the R16 and it's not Sonar so it must be... 


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/07 00:15:07 (permalink)
    I spent a half an hour with Sonar today, but they couldn't figure it out either. Everything is set up as should be but still no connection. Zoom does have a 64 bit driver. It is downloadable. But on top of that I have no problen using the Zoom with Cubase Le4 or Magix and Samplitude.  I am giving up on it and going to try and get a refund but that will be impossible on a software purchase.  Thanks for all the help guys. I really are not incompetant on computers. I have been working on computers and software since the 80's. This  isn't the first time that I have had some kind of driver trouble, but not to this extent.
    I'll cut my losses so to speak.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/07 05:14:35 (permalink)
    Roysey,

    I got my copy of 8.5 yesterday (geee thanks Roland UK!) and encountered a bunch of problems initially, which were fixed as follows (from memory, away from studio at the moment):

    * windows control panel/sounds/sound scheme-->choose 'no sounds'
    * windows control panel/device manager/right click your onboard soundcard and any other sound devices and uncheck all of the exclusivity options
    * make sure you have updated the R16 to Version 1.2 software via a download from Zoom-->SD Card-->hold 'play' while turning the unit on

    If all else fails, google 'ms wavetable gs disable windows 7'

    All this because ASIO4ALL told me that the onboard wavetable synth was clashing with the ASIO driver, which of course the Zoom control panel hadn't told me, being considerably less informative.


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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/07 10:58:45 (permalink)
    That model of Zoom is SO popular and everything I've read about it on the forums is that it's easier to use than most of its kind and has an excellent price/quality-ratio. I'm surprised to read about your difficulties.

    My Zoom2 worked immediately with my 64 bit laptop using the ASIO drivers by Zoom. It's clumsy to set up, but I only use it when travelling.

    Have you updated your SONAR to 8.5.3? If not, you absolutely should.

    You say that you have tried everything, so we don't know what you have actually tried, but you're not a noob so I guess all I can do is  wish you luck in solving the mystery.





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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2010/12/08 11:12:03 (permalink)
    Just as a matter of note. I have just received the R16. I'm running Vista 64bit and I have installed the latest 64bit driver for the R16 but it appears that it's vista thats having an issue with the driver not SONAR...I have to continually uninstall/install the driver to enable SONAR to see the device and I keep getting alerts from Vista stating that it was unable to activate the device when I switch the R16 to usb mode for the next session.

    Now this may obviously be related specifically to my setup and/or conflicts with other drivers. Just wanted to throw it out there in case anyone else was having the same issue.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2011/01/10 12:23:55 (permalink)
    I'm having the exact same problem, on both Vista 64, and Windows 7 64 bit.  There is a Zoom 64 bit driver so 64 bit is supported.  And I've tested several other DAW's and the R16 if flawless with Cubase, Abelton, Reaper, etc.

    I can't get mine to work with either ASIO4ALL or Zoom's Sonar driver.

    I can buy that Zoom's Sonar driver has issues, but the fact that ASIO4ALL isn't working (and yes ASIO4ALL works with all the other DAW's I mentioned), leads me to believe there's a compatability issue with Sonar.

    I'll be curious to see how this is resolved.  I really like Sonar, but if I can't find a solution, I'll probably be purchasing Ableton Live.
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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2011/01/10 14:50:18 (permalink)
    denverdrummer


    I'm having the exact same problem, on both Vista 64, and Windows 7 64 bit.  There is a Zoom 64 bit driver so 64 bit is supported.  And I've tested several other DAW's and the R16 if flawless with Cubase, Abelton, Reaper, etc.

    I can't get mine to work with either ASIO4ALL or Zoom's Sonar driver.

    I can buy that Zoom's Sonar driver has issues, but the fact that ASIO4ALL isn't working (and yes ASIO4ALL works with all the other DAW's I mentioned), leads me to believe there's a compatability issue with Sonar.

    I'll be curious to see how this is resolved.  I really like Sonar, but if I can't find a solution, I'll probably be purchasing Ableton Live.


    I doubt there are SONAR drivers for Zoom, are you quite sure? I didn't find anything such setting up my Zoom 2 (which worked like a charm with the 64 bit drivers in W7) What we might be talking about  are Zooms ASIO drivers for Vista and W7, but not separate drivers for SONAR (???). Vista is known for difficulties in the audio field and ASIO4ALL is not a real ASIO driver.

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    Re:Zoom R16 and Sonor 8.5 2011/05/22 23:02:44 (permalink)
    Anybody figured out what's happening here?
    I recently downloaded the newest drivers (ver 1.5 for 32 bit XP) and there is a special check box you're supposed to tick to install a "Sonar Plug In".  When I hooked up the Zoom, I got some error message.  (Can't remember what exactly as the Zoom is at my buddy's place where we tried to get this thing going a couple nights ago.)
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