aaargh-bug with guitar rig2 and p5

I have just bought guitar rig2 (the concept of using 2 or 3 loopers live in sync with p5 sold me--guitar, laptop---gig)
it does do everything it says on the tin BUT
when i insert it in p5 as a dxi (havent tried vst yet0 and sync the loop recorder it makes a truly horrible noise
this doesnt happen when its not synced

anyone replicate this?
its driving me mad
(it doesnt do it when rewired in sonar)

yup its the guitar rig interface I'm using
cant download the updates yet though(I bought it from sound control (glasgow) on monday, i tried to register it online and couldnt, phoned NI . turns out that someone had opened the box and registered it ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
the shop is sorting it out for me but I can't update till that happens


do you have gr2?
does that update fix the bug?
if you do could you try for me please?
Does the rig control send midi messages?

Thanks Abe

Aw, the joys of insane copy protection :)

AXE

Hey mojo while you are here, quick, what is that drum loop thing you use live?

P.S. I just noticed you said this doesn't occur when rewired into Sonar. So that probably obviates my standalone question. But... what about when plugged into Sonar as a DXi? VST? What about when rewired into P5? (Is P5 is a rewire host, or no?)

Lastly - what are the exact steps to reproduce? ie. does the problem occur as soon as you press the Loop Machine record button, or what?

Hi Darc,
thanks for the reply and helpful advice
yup it does work when rewired, with just p5 as a dxi when i hit record its fine, when I play back its a digital noise fest (which I dont mind when thats what i am looking for).
the computer is about 2 weeks old and is pretty potent so I dont think its that.
I will defo try the vst version though and see if that cures it
In standalone i have no problem
PS is there a way to have rig control send midi messages?

Isn't there a lot of latency with Guitar Rig? You have to use input monitoring with it correct?

I do the same with Vocals but you need to get to 1.5ms to make it sound really good. Even that would be sort of annoying for guitar.

Just curious, the flexibility of these rigs is really nice for the studio.

AXE

The PODxt/Live is good good stuff, you'll get no argument from me. In fact, I own a Vetta, a Flextone II, and have been through several PODs myself over the years. But since I'm frequently integrating softsynths w/ my guitar sound these days, I have this on-going dream of a live rig consisting of just my guitar and my laptop. There have always been tradeoffs, and up until recently they have been show-stoppers (literally) but I think I'm zeroing in on a solution now. A big part of the equation was getting my hands on a fast enough laptop. IMO they've only existed for a few months now...

But it's true, if you put aside the whole aesthetic obsession w/ a laptop doing all the work, the best sounding and easiest solutions still involve some dedicated hardware - whether that's a POD or a tube amp or whatever floats your boat. I still question the GR2 direction on a daily basis, but for the moment I'm feeling positive, trying to have faith that if I keep investing the tweak-time, I will get it to work. But I won't have a real verdict until I hit the bars and clubs with this setup and sink or swim.

axe, I agree latency's gotta be as low as possible, but I find anything under 8ms or so to be usable. I don't even think the modeling amps on the market are legitimately pulling off 1.5ms, but I could be wrong...

Hey 3Eo. Yes, at the moment I'm using a couple of Parker MIDIFly's - one for each tuning I play in. (Life would be so much easier if there were only one tuning - I'd have an actual backup for once!)

The tracking... it is what it is. Like any other MIDI guitars I've ever played, you just have to accept that it isn't a guitar, and it isn't quite a few other things either. You learn to look for sounds that work and parts that work with the limitation of the instrument, instead of trying to optimize the instrument to perform preconceived parts with conventional sounds. You're never, ever, going to play a piano concerto with a MIDI guitar. It's also important to develop a really clean technique with very little extended elements, to minimize ghost and glitches caused by ambiguous harmonics.

I mostly use it to layer pads and strings and such behind or between other guitar parts - long swells where I know tracking is not critical.