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2013/09/15 20:59:34 (permalink)

alternative to percussion strip?

Does anyone know of an alternative to Percussion Strip for down and dirty super quick tweaking of drum tracks? Preferably something that can also process percussion as well as drum kits (yeah I know percussion IS drum kits too - but I had to clarify it somehow
 
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/15 23:02:33 (permalink)
Not an expert but i have had luck with Boost 11 tho it can break up pretty easily.
Also the multiband compressor in sonitus can do some cool tricks.
I've had luck with adding extra tracks of samples such as kik drums and snares to add definition to the main drum track.


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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/15 23:09:05 (permalink)
Pro channel FX chains?

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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 02:49:14 (permalink)
thx guys - yeah Glyn I tried the FX chains, but like Percussion Strip it seems to be geared to more hip-hop, dance, trance type drums and certainly no percussion...Boost is more for mastering rather than eq'ing. Not to worry I was just finding Percussion Strip so easy to use, but I'm into some projects now where the preset shortcomings are becoming noticeable. S'pose I will need to use it manually
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 03:00:35 (permalink)
Please don't use Boost 11. Get the Concrete Limiter. The presets for the Percussion Strip are just starting points not something you want to use without modification.

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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 07:52:12 (permalink)
I would help to know what it is you're looking for that's not included in the Percussion Strip plugin.
 

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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 09:07:36 (permalink)
Try the VX-64

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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 09:30:21 (permalink)
I've used Izotope Alloy in a few instances.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 10:08:12 (permalink)
TS64?
Yes I agree the concrete limiter can work wonders and better than Boost 11


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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 10:32:27 (permalink)
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TS64?
Yes I agree the concrete limiter can work wonders and better than Boost 11


+ 1 to that.
CL adds punch and body to the sound IMO.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 10:51:37 (permalink)
Hi J,
 
For mixing drums, I like Waves SSL bundle's Channel Strip.
High/low pass filters, 4-band EQ, Dynamics, Expander/Gate

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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 13:40:05 (permalink)
Thanks Jim I will look at that and Waves stuff is pretty good I read.
Also thanks all for the heads up on NOT using Boost and using CL instead...tbh I have never considered it,  sticking only with the presets (with minor tweaking) of PS. And Concrete Limiter and VX-64 (thx BJ) were also tools I had not considered.
 
Okay now to start trying out these suggestions - MUCHO appreciated!  
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 13:51:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Grem 2013/09/17 21:31:51


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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 14:12:15 (permalink)
thx M_G  I did wonder at using a vocal processor, but sometimes the things you don't assume will do a task, actually do..
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 17:04:17 (permalink)
I don't use the Percussion Strip, but I don't recall that it was geared toward any particular genre. Then again, I've never looked at the presets so maybe it's their names that are giving the impression that it's for hip-hop or whatever. I don't think that's what the designer intended, though.
 
Given that the plugin is primarily an EQ and dynamics processor, I would think that presets are going to be pretty useless anyhow. Don't give up on the Percussion Strip. I think you'll find that taking the time to learn each module well will be worth the investment.
 
Your query got me thinking...why don't I use the Percussion Strip? I guess it's because I prefer individual effects over channel strips in general. I have better compressors/limiters, better transient shapers, better equalizers, etc. Each of which I've spent hundreds of hours learning their every quirk and capability. I don't ever use presets for anything other than synthesizers.


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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 17:16:33 (permalink)
Thx bitflipper - I have actually tried the presets, not just looked over the names  - and I use them primarily as a starting point to get a general set of tweaks primed ready to do my own thing with them, not to simply load them and use for the final product.
 
I find the factory presets save heaps of time, and usually the factory developers/programmers know WAY more than I do about their effects :) so I go with them at least for initial setup.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 17:51:04 (permalink)
For me, it's almost always ProChannel time - Concrete Limiter, EQ, and Console Emulator. Sometimes I use the TS-64 transient shaper sparingly.
 
My favorite aspect of the Concrete Limiter is how well it can bring up room ambience. Boost 11 doesn't come close to the CL. If you want multiband limiting, the Sonitus Multiband compressor is quite good - set it for no compression (i.e., 1:1 ratio), enable limiting, and push the output for the desired amount of squashing.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 19:41:13 (permalink)
Thx Craig for chiming in here...much appreciated I am starting to try the CL and I am getting what you guys are saying...dunno why I never bothered with it before - probs I got put off by the "Limiter" in the name.
 
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/16 23:39:09 (permalink)
 I hadn't thought about that before, that "limiter" might have a negative connotation. Like installing a governor on a go-cart so that it can't exceed 30 mph.
 
I agree with Craig about the Sonitus Multiband. It is an often-overlooked gem. 


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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 00:09:38 (permalink)
Joden, I've had good luck with Waves Kramer Master Tape. It really makes my drums hit hard.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 12:35:19 (permalink)
I don't like the percussion strip. I EQ each drum to sound the way I like and send them to a bus. I add a pultec type EQ to the bus and make it sound the way I want. I then use and LA-2A type compressor to even it up slightly. After all the parts of the entire song are mixed together I use the PC EQ as a subtractive to make everything blend.
 
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 13:49:19 (permalink)
imho, the percussion strip is no more geared towards hip-hop and dance than any other plugin.  Perhaps, as someone mentioned, the presets give the wrong impression.  To answer your original question, might be to re-examine the percussion strip to see what about it is not working.  You obviously want something like it.  What exactly,aside from the presets turns you off to simply learning the percussion strip better?  If it is the sound, warmness or other things hard to place in technical terns, have you considered simply creating an fx chain in the pro-channel that contains that becomes a custom percussion strip.  Try a chain with the channel EQ, transient shaper, compression and tube saturation.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 14:00:23 (permalink)
dub, I am using it for primarily jazz kit and brush kit audio for jazz tunes. Also some adaptive funk and pop tunes. Apart from a couple of "snare" oriented presets which don't work all that well, and one called Gentle Kit, the rest add lots of weird delays and EQ's that are more suited to dance-floor music rather than jazz pop funk - there are a couple that would suit heavier rock, but that's not what I do.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 14:34:30 (permalink)
joden, one of the nice things about the percussion strip is that you can turn off elements you don't need like the delay.  Based on your usage, and the fact that it sounds like you lean towards presets, I think some of the pro channel presets would be much more useful to you.  Have you checked out the additional ones in the pro channel preset zone?  http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Preset-Zone.aspx/ProChannel-Expanded-Presets
 
Many of those are channel strip type configurations and since they are all separate modules, they may be easier to fine tune for you.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 15:10:32 (permalink)
Hey thanks for the link - I never knew that page existed! Yeah that may be a better way to go so good advice  I will look into it further and try some.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 15:18:47 (permalink)
Pro Channel side strip is a bit inflexible isn't it. I mean in terms of ordering components. And also if you only want one component (for aesthetic reasons to remove "clutter") you are forced to run it right at the bottom and you cannot move it from there. Further, it seems the EQ panel is "hard-wired" to be visible at all times, no delete option!
 
Still it does seem it may be useful. I have never used it preferring the "old fashioned" way of using the insert FX boxes on a per track/bus basis
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 15:35:53 (permalink)
bitflipper
I don't ever use presets for anything other than synthesizers.




But but but but but
 
I thought presets are never to be used as is and that they are just a starting point?
 
Oh I get it.... if you find a preset that "works" for you there is no need to tweak it, right?
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 15:44:15 (permalink)
You should be able to rearrange (drag and drop) the signal path on the PC. Also you can add or remove the PC based modules.
 
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 16:10:14 (permalink)
Thanks Mike...seems I cannot.
 
For example I delete all the modules (except the EQ which has the delete "greyed out") then insert one module only, and instead of it being at the top of the PC panel it gets locked to the bottom with all this clear space above it.
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Re: alternative to percussion strip? 2013/09/17 17:18:16 (permalink)
You can rearrange them anyway you want. Just grab the top most portion of each PC channel module.

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