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2015/03/03 20:55:26 (permalink)

another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated!

I think I need to learn to use my microphone better. It's a reasonably decent mic (shure ksm27) and sometimes I think I got it right, but I still get a lot of mouth noises (clicks and pops), hissing S's and F's, stuff like that. And I can't tell you how many times the dog started barking or the furnace kicked in halfway through a take. The dog is sweet, but she can't sing for crap.
 
Anyway, on to the opera...
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/04 08:01:12 (permalink)
Interesting song, for me there a few things that stand out in the mix.  The vocal is a bit to low, nice bass tone but a little to present and the drums sound thin and distant.  Which leads me to think that a few tweaks in the mix will turn this into an even more interesting and engaging song.
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/05 02:56:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/10 00:53:21
For loads of vox tips and mixing tips do this free course https://www.edx.org/course/vocal-recording-technology-berkleex-bmpr365x-0#.VPgLePzkfYg
Sonar does have a de esser built i, have a look into this vocal strip. 
Really enjoyed this track, quite beautiful.
 
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/05 09:59:50 (permalink)
Well, I'm leaning two ways on this.  I agree with Gus and Wookie.  I think it's a really good song.  The dark lyrics in a couple spots seem to bring the mood down. That probably works for you cause you wrote it and it means something in your life.  Hard to explain.  My suggestion would be (though no one asked) would be to maybe replace the suicide sections with a bit more hope.  I usually don't suggest things like this but I like the song quite a bit but was pulled down  as I read the lyrics while listening.  Anyway, just a couple thoughts.

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/05 17:01:22 (permalink)
Wookie, thanks for the thoughts regarding mix. That's exactly what I need. I get lost in the tweaking and lose all my objectivity.
 
Gus, awesome link! I'm there! And thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you dug it.
 
Warren, actually I did ask for your suggestion, and thanks for putting it out there. It is true, this song is pretty dark, and many of my songs tend to move in that direction. You're also correct that a song like this works for me because it has its roots in my life. This may not be my current, daily reality, but it is a place I have visited. Song writing and poetry for me are kind of a combination of method acting and psychotherapy. Like method acting, I need to pull real emotions out of my own life and invest them in whatever song I am working on. Like psychotherapy, I am driven to write songs because I have to get s**t off my chest. (Who goes to see a therapist because they're happy all the time?) If you need a tall, cool glass of hope after you listen to one of my songs, I can at least offer you this: After all these years, I am still writing and have not yet taken my seat on the ground on top of the hill, leaning back against a tree...
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/05 20:37:32 (permalink)
I like how you did the vocals on this number --- a bit of a Dylan feel.  This is a different song but it is different good.
BTW  www.digitalfishphones.com put out a free VST de-esser called Spitfish.  It is easy to use and does an adequate job.
Nice job on this number.
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/05 21:23:16 (permalink)
Thank you Freddy. Really appreciate the encouragement.
 
And I jumped right on that link! Thanks!

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/06 00:24:13 (permalink)
Theraputic value, check. It's still a very listenable song with nice structure, nice melody, nice Dylanish vocal presentation, and I don't really care too much for Dylan, which puts me in the something like less than 1% . . .
 
Bass down, vocals up would be my advice, given freely and worth as much.
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/06 00:31:29 (permalink)
Thanks Tom. Very much appreciated. I was careful to throw in a few extra chords, just for you.

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/08 20:35:32 (permalink)
after more tweaking: more voice, less bass...
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/08 23:31:15 (permalink)
That is some of the best lyrics I have seen /heard in a long time. You have a way with words and ideas. I think if you repeated your chorus again( Where it talks about In Love with You but I've gone insane) it would make the song stronger. The music could use some tightening up seems to me timing wise but it is still good. IMO the song is certainly worth your best effort. I really like it.

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/09 18:14:39 (permalink)
Teego, thanks a lot for your comments. 
 
Funny thing, in an earlier version of this song, I went verse/chorus/verse/chorus and ended with the line "I'm in love with you but I've gone insane" just like you said, and it worked pretty well. But I also really like ending the whole thing with the repeated "As I fade, fade, fade away," which means I can't end with "I'm in love with you..." I tried to add another verse to the middle, which would allow me to repeat the chorus, but I wasn't successful at that. But yeah, I totally agree with your suggestion. Just not sure how to get there.
 
As far as tightening it up, I agree with you there too. I'm so new at this, I'm not really sure where to go with it, but I hear what you mean. 
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/09 18:56:19 (permalink)
This rocks in that quirky way that takes a second to kick in. It's not typical, but the first line makes you take notice. The lyrics kick all kinds of ass  and the matter of fact but laid back delivery combined with music that compliments despite not feeling like it should at first (if that makes any sense).  I really enjoyed this.  i think the mix needs a bit of "glue" to kind of bring it together, but that's just nitpicking.  in fact, when i listened i just assumed you were just going in a non-traditional direction with the mixing on purpose .  Awesome song.
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/09 20:24:43 (permalink)
Dubdisciple, thank you for your comments! 
 
I would love to hear more of your "nitpicking" regarding the mix. I read everything I can find and dredge the you-tube tutorials for all they're worth, but ultimately I'm still doing everything by ear and intuition. I still really don't know how to get from "Yeah that sounds good" to cohesive/glued together. 
 
I imagine even if I did know what I was doing I would be headed off in some non-traditional directions. (I've got pretty strange listening habits.) 

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/13 14:50:20 (permalink)
Just listened to the last version...  it certainly is a different song, with a cool retro-ish dreamy feel.  Good song.
 
Mix-wise, for me the bass wasn't strong enough, and the drums were too repetitive and a bit thing.  For me this seems like a "band" song so I'm listening from that perspective.   Love the little downward bend at the end.   
 

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/16 18:56:45 (permalink)
Wasn't sure what to think of this at first, but it grew on me pretty quick. I think your bass should be narrowed to center and mixed better with the kick. The wide bass just gets lost. Cool harmonies here and there as well. Nice one!
 
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/17 06:26:48 (permalink)
I listened to version 2 on my little computer speakers, and I will try to hear it again in my studio....  I like the performances, the instruments were played very well I think.  Definitely a Dylanesque feel to the vox but I think it works for you.
 
On these speakers, I think I hear instruments (and background vox) that are barely audible.  It would nice to hear them better.  I don't think the snare drum fit the tune.  Maybe one a little lower pitched and darker might fit better?  I actually heard no bass on these speakers.  I'm not big into suicide, but they are definitely interesting lyrics.
 
Overall a pretty cool tune.  Work on the mix a bit and experiment with some of the ProChannel tools to see what else you can coax out of it!  Just MHO.  :-)

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/17 08:54:47 (permalink)
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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/17 14:31:35 (permalink)
I like it, took a few seconds for it to 'click' for me. Like the laid back feel, and how everything fits together. Only critique would bass and kick drum sometimes get lost, and the snare sound would benefit from being deeper/darker - bit clicky for this type of track. But still, I enjoyed it and will definitely be checking out some of your other stuff

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/18 07:54:38 (permalink)
OK...  it's a smooth production.  The groove and chords struck me as strangely disconnected from the lyrical topic... maybe that's just me..
 
I really like the singing tone of the lead guitar.
 
The bass is way to light in this mix.

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/18 08:08:21 (permalink)
Interesting. I like your sound overall however there is something about the drums that bothers me and doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the mix. Perhaps if you change the snare sound to something a bit deeper in pitch.
 
The lyrics are pretty dark but that's ok. The vocal has a kind of Bob Dillon vibe to it.
 
you might try distorting the vocal to get more grunge in it.
 
Good work though.
 
 

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/18 22:25:49 (permalink)
Well, I went all around behind the barn making changes to this and that, but at this point I've lost the ability to tell if I'm improving or just fiddling with knobs. I'll assume that is my inexperience poking me in the eye. 
 
https://soundcloud.com/wardcheese/gone-insane-3
 
At this point, I messed with the drums a bit, got a fatter snare and played with the eq on the kick and bass so try to differentiate a bit between the two. I also tried to just simplify the drums a little bit. And I tried to pull the background vocals a little closer in to make them just a shade more apparent. 
 
Guitarhacker HerbThe groove and chords struck me as strangely disconnected from the lyrical topic... maybe that's just me..
 
That was a really interesting observation. I don't know where to go with it, but it is making me ponder. I guess I was hearing the music as sliding into a gentle melancholy but, like you said, maybe that's just me. 
 
DCumpian DanI think your bass should be narrowed to center and mixed better with the kick. The wide bass just gets lost.
 
Thanks for the listen, Dan. I really admire your work. I sort of hear what you are describing, the wide bass, but I think I still need more ear training. I'm not really sure how to intervene though. The bass is pretty much just out-of-the-box (Dim. Pro). Maybe there is a setting in Dimension Pro, s stereo that could be flipped to mono... I'll mess with it some more.
 
Awes: Thanks man! I really like your stuff too!
 
Anyway, thanks everyone for your thoughts and encouragement. Maybe one day I'll write a happy song.

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Re: another tune. feedback and suggestions appreciated! 2015/03/19 03:10:31 (permalink)
The very essence of the song and for the most part the performances, are your greatest attributes. Excellent!
Drums are not compelling enough, instrumentation seems a little incoherent (mix/reverb/timing), although the rhythm guitar has a very nice dreamy sound/vibe.... very slight timing anomalies 'human feel' actually works really well (guitar)!
 
 
 
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