evansmalley
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anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
Hey! I'm curious if anyone is using the Zoom R16 as a control surface? I've read that in the past people had problems with it, but now they've got better drivers (they say) for 64 bit. And if it works for X1 and/or 8.5.3, how well? Can you do all the regular stuff like arm tracks, solo, mute... write automation with the faders... etc?
I'd sure appreciate any advice! Thanks very much!!!
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 09:18:05
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Hi evansmalley,
I have a Zoom R24 and it works fine for me. I don't use the faders as a control surface. Please do a search in the forum for "R16" and you will see a number of posts that ask the same question.
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evansmalley
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 15:23:11
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Hey Rimshot-
Thanks for your reply! What part of the R16 DO you actually use as a control surface? I've searched the forums high and low and while there's a lot of info about using the R16 as an audio interface, not too many have successfully used it in Sonar as a control surface, that I can find. But a lot of that info was old ('09, '10, and '11), when the 64 bit drivers weren't developed. Just curious if anyone is successfully using it as a control surface with the current state of X1, win 7 64 bit, etc. I'm also really curious if anyone can use it with 8.5.3 because that's my favorite build of Sonar, though I own X1.
It just seems like such a cool toy! It looks like it would be fun for recording out in the yard... but since I have dual Focusrite pro 40's for I/O, I only really need it as a control surface- and I haven't found any success stories with it and Sonar for that.
Anyone using it as a control surface? Does everything work?
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 16:20:54
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@evansmalley,
I just got my R24 and am using it as a control surface...
It works great....faders on 1-8 and Master...and changing banks changes fader control to 9-16 or 17 - 24...
Only thing is if you use mixbusses then the master will control the first mix buss and not the Master...
I just got it so haven't had a lot of time to dig in deep yet...
Other then that it installed and operates great...
Make sure you install the Sonar Plug-in when it asks...
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 16:24:24
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 16:30:40
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cclary,
Where does it ask for a Sonar plugin?
Thanks.
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 17:12:11
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Rim,
It asks during the installation of the driver package...
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evansmalley
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 19:26:13
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Hey cclarry-
thanks for the response!
So it shows up and you can use it to control the transport and track volume right? Can you loop. solo. auto punch, etc with it? Ever try writing fader automation with it?
WHAT"S COOL ABOUT IT IS THAT IT"S MORE THAN A CONTROL SURFACE< AND IT"S ONLY 300 instead of $800 like the mackie, plus it records anywhere in the yard with AA batteries!
DAmn caps lock. I didn't caps all that and don't want to retype! Not me yelling, ignore. Just curious how it works as a control surface...
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 22:35:01
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Evan,
Yes - transport controls work...and yes you can write automation with it...
the faders aren't motorized....so you don't get to "see" your work on...
but that's not big deal...
I don't think that Autopunch will be controlled by it...
That was my big thing for buying too...I get 8 good inputs, can use it mobile, and I can use it LIVE
for the band and get ALL the plugins I have to use for effects....
I have a Quad-Capture too, but may nix that providing the R24 works out...
I haven't got that far yet...LOL The Pre's aren't as good as the VS pre's, but I can live with the difference...
What I have noticed is I seem to get better sound in my headphones with the R24...it's cleaner and clearer...
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 22:48:06
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Clary,
Thanks for the info. I did get the write automation working but will stick to editing volume, mutes, etc. manually for now. I can get very precise response by drawing more than using the Zoom faders.
I too think the mic pres are not the best but are very and sound great.
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 23:02:23
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Rim,
Glad to hear it...
For all you get for the money, I"m pretty impressed...
While I like the VS Pre's better...the ones on the R24 are VERY acceptable...
and the headphone amp seems to be cleaner....so that's a bonus...
I plan on using the R24 as a live mixer for the band too...I get to use all my
plugs that way.....which is another big bonus...
If the R24 had better effects and balanced outs....it would be UNBEATABLE for the money..
but I can work with what it has...
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 23:13:08
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Looking forward to hearing some music from you.
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 23:14:10
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So you guys have had no trouble getting Sonar to recognize the R16 as a control surface- and the main things about a control surface like, faders, transport, scrub wheel, mutes solos, etc- work ok?
I guess cclarry you can't get the autopunch to work? How about locaters and that kind of stuff? Can you control anything like EQ's for a channel or anything else?
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/09 23:56:10
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cclarry, when you say that you get to use all of your plugins while using the R24 as a live mixer, are you using it with a laptop running Sonar or is it stand-alone?
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/10 08:05:46
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M@
I will be using it with my laptop and Sonar X1 PEd....but you could use it as a standalone with the onboard effects...
It's a Digital Mixer...with a built in Sampler and Drum Machine...
It has Reverb, Compression/Limiting, Chorus, Delay, Distortion, Flanger, Parametric EQ, and also has both
Insert and Send/Return effects....all onboard....while they are not the BEST...they are acceptable...
You can use it as a standalone recorder with an SD Card and record 8 Tracks simultaneously, and 24 Tracks total...
The audio interface is USB powered, or can be run on 4 AA Batteries, or AC Power...
For the money, it's quite a nice piece of kit....
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evansmalley
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/10 10:20:08
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So- no one has any experience with using the R16 or R24 with any version of Sonar AS A CONTROL SURFACE?
It does really look like a great box- I'd sure appreciate it if anyone could tell me how it functions as a control surface! Thanks!
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/10 10:57:44
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As a control surface, it will move faders, and control the transport. Does not punch in/out or pan when connected to Sonar.
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/10 11:41:43
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I always thought the R16 had a really attractive set of features for the $. With external pres it's probably very nice. I wonder tho, that since it seems to have been very popular, if they might be coming out with a new/improved model?
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/10 11:51:12
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ahhh... thanks Rimshot that's exactly what I needed to know! I really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge- thanks! Saved me a pile of time. This forum is great!
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2012/04/28 11:22:56
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Just as a follow-up. I did get an R16 and it works fine as a control surface, like everyone said, doesn't loop, punch or pan- yet. Also, it doesn't cause problems when used with another control surface (Tascam US-428) so now it's like I've got 16 faders which is nice. Works as a control surface with Reaper too which is helpful since I need Vari-speed so bad. Could not get it to work in Avid Media Composer... but THAT'S a real finicky app for sure!
It doesn't conflict with my 2 Focusrite Sapphire Pro 40 audio I/O's as well, just don't enable the audio drivers in "Audio Options", but I think you HAVE to install them into Windows for it to work.
Just select the R16's "audio interface" for control surface ins and outs in the control surface dialog- a little counter-intuitive, but that's what it needs.
It's for sure one of the coolest toys ever for remote recording, and the built-in mics are surprisingly good. No hard drive noise is great too, rechargeable battery power... usb file swap into Sonar works effortlessly... I finally have a studio in my treehouse!
I really recommend the R16! Only cost me $265 (used) on eBay!
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2015/03/17 03:34:27
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I use R24 as control surface to mix 16 tracks using Sonar 8.5 as a live track. Mics and guitar also. Can use FX built into Sonar, and eg switch reverb/delay on or off at end of song. ONLY DRAWBACK......I canoot get it to work when using Playlist in Sonar. Anybody else, or got over this problem please?
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Re:anyone using Zoom R16 as a control surface?
2015/03/17 08:28:24
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I also have an R24 - coolest box! It would be my primary interface if it had better outs and more of them. I haven't configured it as a Sonar CS yet, but I have set it up with others.
I don't know about the 16, but the 24 has a set of buttons for punch and markers above the transport buttons. In the other DAW, these were fully configurable for anything you wanted them to do.
Check the zoom forum ... there is a decent amount of activity there with a lot of folks using the 16/24s in a variety of ways.
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