applying volume automation directly on track?

Hi guys
I am wondering if it is possible to apply the volume automation directly right to the track without bouncing it to new track? I mean after volume automation I want to apply the automation on track and get ride of the automation envelope without bouncing to track . like when we want to apply an effect directly to a track and delete the effect from the effect bin with using the apply effect command under process.
Thanks

I'm not sure this is possible at all.
 
The question would be - why do you want to get rid of the envelope? If at a later date you want to change it, you can't.

I guess if I wanted to save the mix in separate track files so it could be rebuilt elsewhere?

Bristol_Jonesey
I'm not sure this is possible at all.
 
The question would be - why do you want to get rid of the envelope? If at a later date you want to change it, you can't.

For those parts that I am 100 percent sure that i won't touch them later, I wanna apply it. So It would be easier for future if i want to increase or decrease the whole track.Otherwise i have to select the whole track to change the volume.

That would work Beep but he specifically stated he did not want to bounce to track - and we don't know why.

Beepster
I'm guessing they want to free up the paramater control (which would otherwise be overtaken by the envelope).
 
That's partially why I mentioned finding a plugin of some some that could control volume without using the fader volume for the envelope.
 
I should have done a test using the clip automation before closing Sonar for the night.
 
However... if this isn't possible one thing I've used in the past for a similar scenario is just using Bounce to Track into a new track and dragging the resulting clip into a new take lane in the original track (and of course deleting the newly created track and removing the effect/envelope that I'd just printed... and muting the original take so I could revert back easily if need be).

Yes this is what I don't want always for some tracks that i am sure i wont make any change on them. Otherwise as you said i have to bounce them to track and move all the effects or copy them from old track to the new one and delete the old track.
I just wanted to check if there is an option that i might don't know it in the sonar platinum. 
 

scook

Beepster
find...a plugin...that could control volume without using the fader volume for the envelope.

Empty FX Chain

Ah... yeah. That's the way to go. The vid I learned that trick from preceded the FX Chain Modules with the independent input/output controls.
 
REZA... do as scook (and I said) and insert an empty FX Chain module into the Prochannel (wherever it is most advantageous in the signal chain for the volume changes to occur... like at the very end of the PC chain) and automate the output control on the module instead of your volume fader.
 
No need to bounce or do anything at that point.
 
Cheers.
 
PS: Based on my (admittedly limited) experience with Offset Mode it seems to be more confusing/hassle than it's worth but yes, that is of course an option.

scook
FX chains can go in the FX bin too. Then reassign the volume automation to the FX chain volume.

I was unsure if the actual module was available from the FX Bin (which is the only way I know of accessing those in/out controls... but I guess they'd show up in the available envelopes filter menu thingie without opening it).
 
I was PRETTY sure there was a module option for Bin/Rack chains but didn't want to say for sure.
 
I do personal prefer that stuff in the PC though because then I can leave the bin Pre/Post status and contents free for other stuff. Then again the Pre/Post status of the PC comes into play to but I think last in the PC set to default means the FX Chain comes immediately before the fader.
 
Meh... I'll shuddup now.
 
;-)

Keni
 offset mode (letter O key)

The keyboard shortcut for Offset mode was dropped in the new SONAR. Toggle Offset mode using the Mix module or add a custom keyboard shortcut.

I think I just figured out a way to do this that will print the effect onto the clip in place... but I'm not 100% sure if it will follow any envelopes on the track.
 
If you select a track or clip, go to the global Process menu (at the top of the Sonar scree) and select Apply Effect it allows you to print any effects in the track's effect bin right onto the selected clip(s). So if you just wanted volume you could use any of the methods described in this thread to create a volume envelope using a plugin effect or FX Chain. Then use the Apply Effect option to print the it. You would want to disable any other effects in the bin you don't want to be included in the render (then turn them back on after). Since it's volume and effects tend to react to volume changes you may want to pay close attention to your signal chain/order in which you do this.
 
I'm also unsure if Apply Effect will indeed include any envelope changes to that effect but IMO it SHOULD otherwise that would be a little annoying.
 
Just something to play around with.
 
Now that I've looked at that option I think I'd like to see this feature get a little bit of improvement. Like give more options right in the Apply Effect dialog and generally make it all more robust and user tweakable. It seems to be a reasonable workaround for the limitations/annoyances of the whole Bounce to Clip/Track stuff.
 
I would would much prefer an in place render option for tracks and clips where you can just right click on a clip or track, choose the elements you want printed (like Bounce to Track and Export does) and have the changes applied to the specific clip. I don't why I keep thinking we can already do this but I'm pretty sure it's because of the Process stuff (as in I've seen many of these in place renders happen but via the Process menu).
 
Anyway... I'm sure OP already has his solution but thought it was interesting and might give folks some stuff to play around with. I know I'll be keeping it in my bag of tricks now that I realize it can apply FX Bin stuff. It would be even better if it had an option to include PC and Track strip options (and whatever else might come into play)... and of course an option to include/exlclude any envelopes on the track or maybe even live automation (during an audible real time Apply Effect procedure).
 
Meh.

scook

Keni
offset mode (letter O key)

The keyboard shortcut for Offset mode was dropped in the new SONAR. Toggle Offset mode using the Mix module or add a custom keyboard shortcut.

Thanks for alerting me Steve...

Either I've added the shortcut (and don't remember) or I simply gavent used it for a while...

I'm gonna look tonight and see...

morganfm71
I assign my volume envelopes to the free fader plug "GFader." http://www.gvst.co.uk/gfader.htm
That way I can adjust the overall volume of the track with the normal track fader.

Offset mode simply changes the function of the normal track fader to control static offset instead of fader variations.
 
FYI the reason why the shortcut was taken out was to avoid the "Automation doesn't work! SONAR broken! Faders all stay in the same position!" posts when people hit O by accident.

I have often considered setting up shortcut schemes for specific tasks. Essentially remove ALL the shortcuts except the ones I need for a specific project period.
 
A perfect example... I use the keyboard to control transport while recoding (with a guitar strapped to me). I would eliminate EVERYTHING except the necessary transport controls (at least everything that responds to a simple keystroke as opposed to multi key bindings which are no problem).
 
That way I know if I'm recording with my eyes closed and just reaching out to hit the R and Space keys (as I am prone to do) I don't have to worry about screwing something up.
 
Surprisingly though I rarely hit the wrong keys at any time any more and the only one I seem to is the F key which just (albeit annoyingly) triggers the "Fit" command and makes all my track tiny... and that doesn't actually happen when recording... just when I mixing and constantly hitting D to open the Dock.