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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 08:34:23
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No. But for some reason you must have some type of issues.
I personally believe that you are not a musician.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 09:21:08
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Deep in side I'd like to write something meaningful someday, don't you?
I like to think I did, a few times in the last 20 or so years. Not many times, mind you, even though I'm relatively satisfied w/ other songs I've written too. But these few songs I know they are good ones - I feel lucky to have written them and I can still enjoy listening to them 10 or 15 years later, almost as if they weren't mine. That's as much as I want.
What if someone "stole" them? Honestly, I don't think this is likely to happen and I don't know how much I'd care. I didn't write any of these to make money or become someone, I wrote them because that's what I do - I write music. When one's done, it's on to the next one.
Of course I could do w/ the money of success, but all the rest just isn't for me. I already have to deal w/ some of it via my wife, and honestly, I don't envy any of it. As long as I have a roof over my head, 3 meals a day, a couple of beers every now and then and the occasional plug-in, I'm happy sitting here and writing.
Plus, I met my wife because of my music, because she dug it. It doesn't get any better than this on the quest for meaning. ;)
Rain This is an excellent take on this. I admire you for having the insight to understand what this means to you and having your priorities in the correct place........very cool.... Would I like to?......"Make it"........maybe in some very far fetched dream world....sure......but in reality......not going to happen.....and I think that if it really did.....I think I would truely like it to be in the flim music end of things.... But then again my envisionment of "Making it" is just being able to stay home and write music all day long, not having to go to a nine to five hack institution and just being able to afford a simple living....I could find happiness there... I find lately that I am really keeping to my self more and more......Music is a real personal thing for me and it's getting more so everyday........not that I do not like to share but the reason I am doing this is for myself in the end..... I've never really put it into words like you have here and you know.......I like it! Clifford
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 09:33:33
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nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music, I don't think I need to fear someone thinking what I write is worth stealing. Kinda wish they would....
If you fear this... copyright your music with the LOC and sleep soundly at night. It's only $45 and can be done on line in a few minutes.
we all hear about the big lawsuits .... George Harrison and My Sweet Lord, for example..... but more recently in country music.... Lady A did a song called Need You Now.... it's almost a dead ringer for Alan Parsons Eye In The Sky..... but no lawsuits have been filed.
At some point..... with the Western scale, and 7 chords.... plus minors and variations..... with as many song writers and songs that have been written.... the odds are pretty good that someone, somewhere, will hit the exact, or almost exact progression and melody that someone else has come up with...and will have never heard the other version.
This happened to me. It was a gospel song on a radio station, and the song was musically, a near perfect match to one I had written. My jaw dropped when I heard it. BUT.... there was no way that writer had heard my song, nor me his..... so it was a simple coincidence. BTW: the song was not a hit.... it just got some local airplay on a back woods gospel station. Things like that do happen. Unless there is a connection between the writers, a case like that would likely be thrown out of court.
This is the reason publishers and artists do not accept un-solicited material.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 09:57:43
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"nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music"- Herb
Man that was good to me!
Herb, Jeff called me quite some time back and asked, "you listening to our songs?"...
no I replied. He said well somebody is...and my side was hurting from laughing so hard.
When we posted the tunes he wanted to do at Mix I noticed that it wasn't nothing
but a bunch of musicians trying to get other musicians to listen to their music...seemed
very strange to me and that hasn't changed a bit. The song forums took on the same
outlook to me. I know....it's suppose to be a place to get help mixing...just didn't work
that way for me so it's musicians trying to get somebody to listen to their music in my eyes.
Times have changed. Just very glad that my music has been for me first. Fine if it always
stays that way.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 10:59:36
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Karyn
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lots of people don't know that "Black Magic Woman" is composed by Peter Green and originally performed by Fleetwood Mac and not written by Santana.
You're kidding roight? That's one of FMs best songs...
Next you'll be telling me Status Quo know more than 3 chords.
 and don't get me started on Quiet Riot. They were practically a Slade tribute band.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:02:12
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Karyn
Old55
lots of people don't know that "Black Magic Woman" is composed by Peter Green and originally performed by Fleetwood Mac and not written by Santana.
You're kidding roight? That's one of FMs best songs...
Next you'll be telling me Status Quo know more than 3 chords.
Peter Green played the Supernatural on John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers' lp titled Hard Road a few months before he formed Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer and in the grand tradition of the borrowing blues tunes from other guys, He borrowed the Supernatural from himself and the band turned it in to Black Magic Woman.
The Supernatural is my favorite version. :-)
best regards,
mike
Even more to the story than I knew about. Thanks, Mike.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:08:29
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"nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music"- Herb
Man that was good to me!
Herb, Jeff called me quite some time back and asked, "you listening to our songs?"...
no I replied. He said well somebody is...and my side was hurting from laughing so hard.
Yeah... I post new tunes here on the songs and on Facebook too.... but.... looking at the numbers, more people here actually listen.... FB is a bust for getting people to the music. as far as getting the people who "really" matter (ie: industry insiders with artist contacts) .... yeah, your chances of that are pretty slim.... nobody in the biz with good contacts accepts unsolicited material. They only take "recommended" material and just try getting someone to recommend your songs.......
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:17:28
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joakes
Karen, they don't.
Even so they still managed to massacre Rockin' All Over the World (original by Mr John Fogerty.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:23:14
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"nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music"- Herb
Man that was good to me!
Herb, Jeff called me quite some time back and asked, "you listening to our songs?"...
no I replied. He said well somebody is...and my side was hurting from laughing so hard.
Yeah... I post new tunes here on the songs and on Facebook too.... but.... looking at the numbers, more people here actually listen.... FB is a bust for getting people to the music.
as far as getting the people who "really" matter (ie: industry insiders with artist contacts) .... yeah, your chances of that are pretty slim.... nobody in the biz with good contacts accepts unsolicited material. They only take "recommended" material and just try getting someone to recommend your songs.......
"People that really matter"....LOL you're a funny guy today Herb!
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:30:39
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spacey
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"nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music"- Herb
Man that was good to me!
Herb, Jeff called me quite some time back and asked, "you listening to our songs?"...
no I replied. He said well somebody is...and my side was hurting from laughing so hard.
Yeah... I post new tunes here on the songs and on Facebook too.... but.... looking at the numbers, more people here actually listen.... FB is a bust for getting people to the music.
as far as getting the people who "really" matter (ie: industry insiders with artist contacts) .... yeah, your chances of that are pretty slim.... nobody in the biz with good contacts accepts unsolicited material. They only take "recommended" material and just try getting someone to recommend your songs.......
"People that really matter"....LOL you're a funny guy today Herb!
I sincerely appreciate every person here who takes the time out of their day to listen to my music and comment on it.... no doubt about that....everyone here matters and everyone here is important and a member of this family. I was referring to the music industry movers and shakers.... the ones who can take the song and get it to the big artists...... No one here that I know of has the connections to walk into the office of the president of Sony records Nashville and tell him this song needs to be Trace Adkins next #1 release...... and have it happen..... that's what I meant when I said that.... but you knew that.... 
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 11:38:14
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as far as getting the people who "really" matter (ie: industry insiders with artist contacts) .... yeah, your chances of that are pretty slim.... nobody in the biz with good contacts accepts unsolicited material. They only take "recommended" material and just try getting someone to recommend your songs.......
ok so can you recommend mine stuff and I'll recommend yours and we'll be covered? would that work or actually the whole Cakewalk would have to sign recommendation?
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 12:01:53
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Guitarhacker
spacey
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"nope... I'm not worried. As hard as it is to get someone to listen to the music"- Herb
Man that was good to me!
Herb, Jeff called me quite some time back and asked, "you listening to our songs?"...
no I replied. He said well somebody is...and my side was hurting from laughing so hard.
Yeah... I post new tunes here on the songs and on Facebook too.... but.... looking at the numbers, more people here actually listen.... FB is a bust for getting people to the music.
as far as getting the people who "really" matter (ie: industry insiders with artist contacts) .... yeah, your chances of that are pretty slim.... nobody in the biz with good contacts accepts unsolicited material. They only take "recommended" material and just try getting someone to recommend your songs.......
"People that really matter"....LOL you're a funny guy today Herb!
I sincerely appreciate every person here who takes the time out of their day to listen to my music and comment on it.... no doubt about that....everyone here matters and everyone here is important and a member of this family.
I was referring to the music industry movers and shakers.... the ones who can take the song and get it to the big artists......
No one here that I know of has the connections to walk into the office of the president of Sony records Nashville and tell him this song needs to be Trace Adkins next #1 release...... and have it happen..... that's what I meant when I said that.... but you knew that....
LOL! you could have just said, "yeah, that's funny ****". LOL
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 12:05:35
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No one here that I know of has the connections to walk into the office of the president of Sony records Nashville and tell him this song needs to be Trace Adkins next #1 release...... and have it happen..... that's what I meant when I said that.... but you knew that....
and how would you know that? many anonymous and mysterious members here... no one really knows who is Bapu for instance...
post edited by offnote - 2012/09/21 12:14:57
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 12:14:03
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I believe you meant "no one really knows WHAT is Bapu".
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 12:15:55
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and how would you know that? many anonymous members here...
no one really knows who is Bapu for instance...
oh yes we do. yessssss, we do!
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 12:21:53
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He's a Spacey bass player and no Olymbic player can say that...'cept him.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 13:05:28
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It has been my experience that true professional music producers and creators are, for lack of a better term, not "studying you". Or me. There are simple self evident reasons why you (or me) is not yet an international mega star. My advice is to learn how to live with that. YMMV.
You know Ol Pal, that's one thing I often find myself thinking about. My younger brother started his musician career in his early 20s. In a matter of a few years, his released musical output was 10 times as big as mine, and he had played more concert in a couple of years than I had in all my life. In all honesty, the important thing for me is to write and learn - the rest eludes me. One major difference between me and all the pros and semi-pros that I have met throughout the years is that, as serious and obsessed as I am w/ music, I never had that sort of sacred respect for my music. It always surprises me to see how musicians will treat their music w/ consideration, each song as a piece of their legacy or something. I visited a friend in Montreal last spring and we discussed a collaboration. He had all those versions and mixes of a song that he'd been working on on and off for years. I cannot feel that need myself. I have a sort of disregard for my own stuff once it's written. By the time I'm done mixing it, I'm already into the next thing. For example, almost all of the music that I wrote between 2000 and 2009 is on hard drives stored somewhere in Qc, along w/ dozens of reels of analog tape and countless hours of material that I wrote and recorded before 2000. I don't see myself buying a PC and running Sonar just to access those. I gave away the reel to reel tape machine. Practically, I might as well have dumped all that stuff. I don't have a copy of my released material. I have a few songs of mine as mp3, and that's basically it. But I have all those songs I've written in my head and remembering them is enough. And sometimes, I'll hear music on the radio or iTunes and go - man, that's the kind of song idea I had a thousand times and just didn't pursue, as if it wasn't worth the attention. In all humility. Plus, I wouldn't want to be stuck writing in one particular direction. I don't want to play the songs again and again or promote them, I just want to write and record it. After that, I'm done w/ them. Not until I started writing for my wife did I start being methodic and careful w/ my own stuff, treating it w/ respect, as part of a bigger picture - because it no longer is just mine. It's not that I don't believe in myself or my talent, but, I have no interest in defining myself through these songs, building a body of work. I just need to write and create stuff, all the time. The results are almost considered a simple byproduct.
post edited by Rain - 2012/09/21 13:19:44
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 14:14:13
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It's not that I don't believe in myself or my talent, but, I have no interest in defining myself through these songs, building a body of work. I just need to write and create stuff, all the time. The results are almost considered a simple byproduct.
well, that's the difference between hobby and a profession - when you have contracts and obligations you cannot have that attitude, excuses or fears anymore unfortunately. This is actually good for you anyway because you will build up some portfolio over the time in oppose when you were only noodling for yourself in the bedroom.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 14:30:29
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Oh I did it for a living too, and still do it on occasion, mind you. And it's not in contradiction w/ my attitude actually. A contract or a gig have very little to do w/ me - it's music on demand, for a purpose, and I can deliver that no problem, and be very methodic and organized.
But I'm referring to my own music, things that I write w/o constraints.
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/21 14:40:27
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spacey
He's a Spacey bass player and no Olymbic player can say that...'cept him.
Spacey bass is much better, no?
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/22 03:04:48
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spacey
No. But for some reason you must have some type of issues.
I personally believe that you are not a musician.
you are right, I am secret agent sent by Abbey Road Studio to spy here and get some new material for free. p.s. BTW landing on the moon was a scam...
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Re:are you not afraid of posting your music?
2012/09/22 08:24:37
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spacey
No. But for some reason you must have some type of issues.
I personally believe that you are not a musician.
you are right, I am secret agent sent by Abbey Road Studio to spy here and get some new material for free.
p.s.
BTW landing on the moon was a scam...
steal my song for Sir Paul.....
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