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2014/06/25 19:46:34 (permalink)

audio interface

I've been out of things for a while so I'm looking to put together a new computer and audio/midi interface. 
I've used M-audio audiophile PCI card for years but what is the recommended type of interface now since PCI is becoming obsolete? Is it USB, Firewire, PCI express or what?
Any ideas appreciated 

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Re: audio interface 2014/06/25 20:08:31 (permalink)

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/25 22:49:10 (permalink)
USB is probably best for long term.
 
I'm enjoying the Tascam uh-7000 in for evaluation at the moment.  Nice bit of kit.  I haven't messed w/ it much, but the DA is a semi step above my normal TC Konnekt, which has very good DA. 
 
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/25 23:09:59 (permalink)
Generally good info in that article, but it hasn't been updated for three years.
There are still some very high end PCI cards available, but for more reasonably priced units that offer good performance, USB is probably the way to go. Stick with USB2(or 3). There are some USB1 products available (Lexicon in particular). They are very cheap because they are based on very old technology, and basically, they suck.
Firewire seems to be falling out of favor as well.
Per the article, consider your I/O requirements.
The Focusrite Scarlet series ate a popular choice, but I went with this because it offers some unique capabilities in its price range:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EIEPro/
It has proven to  be everything I hoped for.

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Re: audio interface 2014/06/26 02:52:44 (permalink)
If you usually just record one or two tracks at the same time but like to have the opportunity to record multi-miked drums on occasion, I'd recommend getting an interface with ADAT expandability! 
 
I use the RME Babyface (USB) which is small and convenient and just great for my home studio needs. Then I got the very cheap Behringer ADA 8000 8-channel preamp/ADC which is connected via toslink. That way I can record 10 analog sources simultaneously! 
 
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/26 18:00:02 (permalink)
What about the Roland Studio something? Lots of channels and options? Is it good enough for pro recording?
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/26 18:19:42 (permalink)
So it seems like going USB is what most here recommend. I really only need two inputs plus midi in and out since I only record myself, guitar and voice live. Everything else, keyboards, drums, etc., I use midi. I have a Mackie 1402 vlz that I use with my Maudio Audiophile 2496 now and it does everything I need but it's PCI. Since most of the new motherboards are doing away with PCI I figure it's time to find out what's happening in the new millenium. Thanks for all the replies.   

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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 11:10:34 (permalink)
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So it seems like going USB is what most here recommend. I really only need two inputs plus midi in and out since I only record myself, guitar and voice live. Everything else, keyboards, drums, etc., I use midi. I have a Mackie 1402 vlz that I use with my Maudio Audiophile 2496 now and it does everything I need but it's PCI. Since most of the new motherboards are doing away with PCI I figure it's time to find out what's happening in the new millenium. Thanks for all the replies.   



Hi Gary,
I had the similar requirements as you do for an interface and I went with what a lot of Sonar users recommended:
Focusrite's_Scarlett_2i4. (check Audio Deluxe, JRR Shop, and Sweetwater as they might be able to offer additional discounts).
 
I'm extremely happy with it and most importantly, the driver + customer support is excellent with Focusrite.
 
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 13:02:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2014/06/27 18:45:21
RME Fireface UFX (either USB or Firewire).
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 19:19:30 (permalink)
Thanks Mesh,
 
I was thinking about Maudio's Mtrack Plus but the Scarlett 2i4 looks a little nicer at 24/96 when the Mtrack is 24/48. The Mtrack does have spdif IO but I've never used it on my Audiophile so that's not a big deal. Maudio does have good drivers which may be a factor because I'm trying to do a DAW for both Windows & Linux. I use Cakewalk for Windows but I haven't decided what I'm going to use in Linux. I love Cakewalk but I don't like Windows. I've been using Cakewalk for about 25 years from when it was only midi for DOS. I've been through a lot of upgrades & enjoyed them all but i can't say the same for Windows. 

 That was my upgraded disk version. I think I started with version 2.0 or 3.0.        

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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 20:58:37 (permalink)
Just something to think about: Define what it is you don't like about Windows, and then see if Linux will really fix it. Otherwise, you may end up less happy.
 
I know there are a lot of geek types that try to sell Linux as the most amazing thing EVAR but it has plenty of issues and limitations of its own. I'm a sysadmin by trade and we do Windows and Linux at work and if you think Linux is problem free, you've got a nasty awakening coming particularly with regards to audio/video production.
 
Not saying it may not end up being good for you, you just need to define what it is about Windows that is problematic, and then see if Linux actually fixes that (check with someone who is a professional, not a Linux fan). Also see if the problems Linux tends to have will be things that will be a big issue for you or not.
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 21:14:06 (permalink)
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/27 21:25:43 (permalink)
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Re: audio interface 2014/06/28 11:54:33 (permalink)
Excellent info on the audio interfaces. As for what I don't like about Windows, it's not so much a functional problem as it is a control problem. When I buy a Cakewalk product I feel comfortable with it and if I ever have a problem with registration or a re-installation issue that they will take care of it. I don't get that feeling from Microsoft. Ever since i had to do a re-install of XP years ago & had to call MS & give them an explanation of how my motherboard died to get a registration code I've always felt uncomfortable with the operating system. I should have clarified that I'm already a Linux user for pretty much everything except DAW & Cakewalk is pretty much the only reason I need to use Windows.
I've got a lot of years of CW stuff under Windows that I'm not going to ditch but I'd still like to add a non-windows option along side. My last upgrade was to X1 producer but my computer is so old I haven't really used it so I still use Home studio XL so upgrading any further would not have made any sense. I'm planning on putting together a new computer soon & thus my questions about the audio interfaces. I've been out of the loop for quite a while so I really appreciate all the ideas you guys have given.        

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Re: audio interface 2014/06/30 09:29:42 (permalink)
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USB is probably best for long term.
 
I'm enjoying the Tascam uh-7000 in for evaluation at the moment.  Nice bit of kit.  I haven't messed w/ it much, but the DA is a semi step above my normal TC Konnekt, which has very good DA. 
 
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AT, Let us know how it sounds with outboard pre's attached if you don't mind. This box has my interest...
 
 
Thanks

 
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Re: audio interface 2014/07/05 16:41:13 (permalink)
Great thread, I'm also looking for a new audio interface, I used to have an EMU 1820m but my new computer doesn't have PCI slots anymore, so it's time to get something new. 
 
I very rarely if ever record, and if I do, it would only be one set of vocals at a time.  Latency is important though because I play my soft synths in. 
 
I'm disappointed that focus right doesn't have quarter inch outs.   I've heard a lot of good things about RME, but they seem to be overkill on the ins and outs that I would never need.


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/06 13:29:48 (permalink)
Google sonar forums/ threads on the Focusrite Forte... it is exquisite.  Extremely high end at a modest price.  Doesn't bother with midi but all controllers are usb these days anyway.
 
I've owned several "decent" interfaces over the years (focusrite saffire pro 24 dsp, presonus 44vsl,  NI audio2, and emu 1820) but the Forte blows them all away in high quality mic pres, awesome direct in's for guitars, and an elegant interface. 
 
A/Bing it against the above and I was just giggling with joy. A way better deal than the babyface which I was also considering.  
 
 

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Re: audio interface 2014/07/07 13:29:48 (permalink)
@ Cactus Music,  your review convinced me, I went with the 6i6 as well so I would stay away from the USB power, ty for the tip.
 
As long as I get at least 10 ms latency no crackling, I should probably be happy.  


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/07 16:10:40 (permalink)
Thanks Mathew, I was a whole year looking and chose the 6i6 for reasons I stated in my review, To many poeple pick an interface just because someone else is happy with the one they have. Bad reason. We all have different needs and there is the perfect interface for each of us if you do your research. It's all about conectivity and monitoring.
Somebody above said the Focusrite doesn't have 1/4" outputs,,? which one were you looking at? They all have 1/4" TRS balanced outputs as far I can see. 

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Re: audio interface 2014/07/07 16:31:16 (permalink)
Yes, I think I just missed them on the back.


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/08 21:23:26 (permalink)
How did you have your drivers setup in Sonar?   I installed the lastest drivers 1.8, and am still getting audio drop outs (512 samples ASIO) or 10ms WDM/KS


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/08 21:53:51 (permalink)
I'm even get drop outs at 1024 samples in ASIO, even worse than MME at 20 ms


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/09 00:33:42 (permalink)

 
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Re: audio interface 2014/07/09 01:48:42 (permalink)
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USB is probably best for long term.
 
I'm enjoying the Tascam uh-7000 in for evaluation at the moment.  Nice bit of kit.  I haven't messed w/ it much, but the DA is a semi step above my normal TC Konnekt, which has very good DA. 
 
@




 
AT, Let us know how it sounds with outboard pre's attached if you don't mind. This box has my interest...
 
 
Thanks





The Tascam unit has preamps and line ins.  The manual is pdf and I haven't double-checked but I think they bypass preamp itself.  You can download the manual at Tascam, I believe.  Anyway, I've run the warm audio preamp/WA76 combo through it and it... worked very nicely, thank you.  And the portico II, too.  The converters are a notch above my TC Konnekt unit, from what I can tell.  Listening to a song I had been working on, the first thing I thought was to add more reverb to the vocal, since I could hear .... deeper?  And the DA of the TC is very good.  The difference isn't jaw dropping as so many like to say, but it seems to be there.  And the preamps themselves are great.  Not as vintage as the WA stuff, not as big as Mr. Neve's  stuff, but as good as either just different.  All this is very subtle stuff.  But the Tascam unit is first class, however you cut it.
 
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Re: audio interface 2014/07/09 10:01:08 (permalink)
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I'm even get drop outs at 1024 samples in ASIO, even worse than MME at 20 ms


This may or may not help you, but (using only ASIO) I keep the sample rate at 48,000 on my Focusrite as well as whatever audio software I use. I've noticed (especially in Standalone mode for audio software), if the sample rate don't match, I get error messages/no sound.
I haven't had any issues with Sonar, but you may just need to verify your sample rate settings for the 6i6 and Sonar are matching.   

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Re: audio interface 2014/07/09 12:31:48 (permalink)
My computer is a i7 -4830 with 24 gigs of ram.  And most of my tracks are bounced down right now (probably still not more than 20 audio tracks).  
 
I will play with it more tonight.  Note that I am changing latency in the asio panel, not the normal mix slider.  And it changes it in samples.  Note normal latency slider is grayed out for me.


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Re: audio interface 2014/07/09 22:15:41 (permalink)
Uninstall ASIO4All from your system. It will interfere with the native drivers for your hardware.
For lack of a better word, it is very "aggressive" and Sonar will find it before it finds the real ASIO drivers for your interface.
Once you are using the Focusrite drivers, you should see the performance the others are.

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Re: audio interface 2014/07/10 08:32:31 (permalink)
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Re: audio interface 2014/07/10 10:41:36 (permalink)
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Well that must be the classic "a picture is worth a 1000 words"
What Bob said.. holy cow ASIO4all... Kill the bastard
You'll be fine once you get rid of ASIO4all. 
I was wondering why you had a slider in Sonar, once you get the scarllet drivers installed you can only change those settings in mix control. 


LOL!!
I was also surprised to see the ASIO4all driver being used, especially with such good drivers from Focusrite. I remember using ASIO4all in a general purpose laptop just to "rig" it so I could listen to some X1 audio (it of course didn't have an audio interface). I would only use those drivers if there was no other legitimate driver available. 

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