? before I upgrade

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2010/12/15 00:24:48 (permalink)

? before I upgrade

I currently have WinXP running a quad core processor with 4gb of ram.  It runs okay, but when I try to throw open all my synths and sample libraries, it gets a bit cranky (unstable), but the system does technically work.  My motherboard supports 8GB of ram, and I'm thinking of upgrading to the full 8GB.  Of course, XP cannot support that much, but WIN 7 Pro 64bit can
 
I was just curious if that anyone noticed an improvement gain by going to 8GB?
 
So, I've read that 32bit Plugs need a "wrapper" to work on a 64bit OS... what exactly is a wrapper?
 
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
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    FastBikerBoy
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 02:32:48 (permalink)
    A wrapper is for fooling the system into thinking it's working with a particular type of plugin when it's not. The only thing you may need a wrapper for would be for a DXi being 'wrapped' as a VST.

    I suspect what you are thinking of is a bitbridge which 'bridges' a 32bit plug to a 64bit application. Bitbridge is included with Sonar and from 8.5 onwards JBridge (3rd party) is also supported.

    You don't really have to worry about bitbridge it does its thing automatically in the background.

    I only have 4GB of RAM so can't comment on any improvement with 8GB but as a rule of thumb the more memory the better.
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 09:56:00 (permalink)
    4GB is enough. you should upgrade to win7. i know, from xp you have to reinstall all your programs. but if you're organized, and you install win7 on a new hard drive, you'll still have the old drive, and it will take less than a day. well worth it.
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 10:59:39 (permalink)
    I've run out of memory several times on XP32 (4Gb) when loading up multiple instances of EWQLSO for orchestral pieces.

    If you work mainly with audio then 4Gb is more than enough.

    To take advantage of your full 8Gb, you'd have to upgrade to a 64 bit system.

    And don't forget you have to upgrade all your existing drivers to 64 bit, assuming your vendor has written them.

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 11:40:37 (permalink)
    If it's going to improve your problem or not, depends if it's RAM or CPU which is struggling.

    I have installed http://taskbarmeters.codeplex.com/ on my taskbar next to Start and can see what's going on all the time. If your RAM is full due to soft synths, then yes of course 8GB will be an improvement. BUT if your CPU is struggling with the soft synths and any other audio that you have loaded already, no it wont help. And you certainly wont want to use the extra RAM to load any more.
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 17:25:04 (permalink)
    Oh yeah, it's the ram!  My processer hasn't even broken a sweat yet, and it isn't even one of the fancy ones of today, which are supposed to be faster.

    I have extensive sample libraries: EW Orchestra, EW Pianos, EW Fab Four, EW Ministry of Rock, EW Choirs, Ivory Pianos, Komplete 7, and a few others I'm forgetting.  They just take alot of memory. On any given project, i'll have a few of the samples plus a whole list of plugs running. It's just too much for my system I think. 

    The reinstalling everything part is what is making me question my decision!  It doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me.  I guess this would be a good time to take inventory of everything installed on my computer, and make sure I have the registration number, installation disk, etc.  The EW Libraries will take me a few days to install alone.  Such fun!

    Thanks for the help guys! 

    Which version of WIN7 does everyone recommend?  I was thinking WIN 7 Pro 64bit.  Sound like a good choice?  The Ulitimate seemed to only have greater networking, which I don't need?

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2010/12/15 18:00:46 (permalink)
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    I currently have WinXP running a quad core processor with 4gb of ram.  It runs okay, but when I try to throw open all my synths and sample libraries, it gets a bit cranky (unstable), but the system does technically work.  My motherboard supports 8GB of ram, and I'm thinking of upgrading to the full 8GB.  Of course, XP cannot support that much, but WIN 7 Pro 64bit can
     
    I was just curious if that anyone noticed an improvement gain by going to 8GB?
     
    So, I've read that 32bit Plugs need a "wrapper" to work on a 64bit OS... what exactly is a wrapper?
     
    Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
    I'm running both 8.5.3 and X1 on an XP Pro 32bit (SP3) 4G Quad Core system and I run huge synths and libraries without struggle.  I had some initial problems with X1 but it's all fixed now (I found the culprits).
     
    Make sure you are using the /3GB switch for XP if you want to get the most memory you can in the 4G limit.
    Also make sure you use a SwapFile (Paging File) equal to 1 1/2 times your physical RAM (WIndows actually gives you the correct value as the "recommended" value in the dialogue to set/change your paging file).
     
    That's how I setup my system and while X1 is too new for me to give a full-blown report on, 8.5.3 ran really great for me and so far with the fixes I invoked, X1 is running quite well also (not including known bugs ;)).
     
    HTH
     
     

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/01 05:00:22 (permalink)
    Does anyone know if Sonar 64bit will open Sonar 32bit files?
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/01 05:48:42 (permalink)
    Yes, it will.

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/01 11:14:15 (permalink)
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    DonaldDuck


    I currently have WinXP running a quad core processor with 4gb of ram.  It runs okay, but when I try to throw open all my synths and sample libraries, it gets a bit cranky (unstable), but the system does technically work.  My motherboard supports 8GB of ram, and I'm thinking of upgrading to the full 8GB.  Of course, XP cannot support that much, but WIN 7 Pro 64bit can
     
    I was just curious if that anyone noticed an improvement gain by going to 8GB?
     
    So, I've read that 32bit Plugs need a "wrapper" to work on a 64bit OS... what exactly is a wrapper?
     
    Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
    I'm running both 8.5.3 and X1 on an XP Pro 32bit (SP3) 4G Quad Core system and I run huge synths and libraries without struggle.  I had some initial problems with X1 but it's all fixed now (I found the culprits).
     
    Make sure you are using the /3GB switch for XP if you want to get the most memory you can in the 4G limit.
    Also make sure you use a SwapFile (Paging File) equal to 1 1/2 times your physical RAM (WIndows actually gives you the correct value as the "recommended" value in the dialogue to set/change your paging file).
     
    That's how I setup my system and while X1 is too new for me to give a full-blown report on, 8.5.3 ran really great for me and so far with the fixes I invoked, X1 is running quite well also (not including known bugs ;)).
     
    HTH
     
     
    When you record real audio, what sample rate do you use?  How many tracks?

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/01 11:16:05 (permalink)
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    Yes, it will.


    Thanks!
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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/02 01:16:45 (permalink)
    Billy,
    You said to use the 3GB switch...
    Could you elaborate.  I think I may have done this, but now that you mention it...
    I'm not so sure.

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/02 07:06:19 (permalink)
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    Billy,
    You said to use the 3GB switch...
    Could you elaborate.  I think I may have done this, but now that you mention it...
    I'm not so sure.
     
    Sure.
     
    In 32bit systems they can only address 4G RAM maximum.  However, some of that must be reserved for the operating system and with some constraints.
     
    But if you edit your "boot.ini" file (carefully - make a backup first please) to include the /3GB switch, and if you have 4 Gig of RAM, you can benefit by as much as 2.9 or more GIG usable to applications, etc.
     
    It's an easy thing to add to the boot.ini (which resides in the root directory of your OS drive, usually C:)
     
    BUT - it also might require some adjustment in the BIOS, depending on the particular BIOS you have.
     
    For my setup, I didn't have to do anything other than add the /3GB switch.  And I also have a paging file (AKA a swapfile) equalt to 1 1/2 times my physical RAM.  It has worked very well for me. 
     
    I hope that helps -- if you need more info, I'll do what I can to clarify if need be.
     
    This only pertains to 32bit systems, mind you.
     
     

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/02 13:25:03 (permalink)
    Which version of WIN7 does everyone recommend? I was thinking WIN 7 Pro 64bit. Sound like a good choice? The Ulitimate seemed to only have greater networking, which I don't need?


    I'm using Win7 Pro x64 OEM and it works great. I agree that Ultimate doesn't buy you anything for a DAW application.

    Good luck.

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    Re:? before I upgrade 2011/01/02 20:32:00 (permalink)
    Thanks Billy for opening that up for me.  I have the swap file doubled already.  I'll have to look into the 3GB switch once I get another GB of RAM. (I'm working with 3 now, but I haven't had any problems with that so far) "knocking on table - hope it's wood".

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