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best choices for getting started

hi.
im new on sonar but have good background on music theory. im jast starting to write songs and looking for best software to work on. man people say on of advantages of sonar rather than other softwares like qbase is an active forum that everytime you ask your question it wil get answer fast and other is its much easier than others.
as an start i want to know what are most important plgins for sonar and what they do? and as i dont have alot of instruments around me i want to know how can i have most compelete sound effects and samples for all instruments and digital made sounds.
and i want to know does sonar give all i need for composing and does those sounds make me need no more to play and record other instruments?
the last one i want to know is what is quick start for most important features for sonar. is this important to learn first to work or it is easy to work on? for example a program like guitar pro you can just open program and start writing.
thanks for you helping and sorry for my bad english
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    kakku
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/11 13:08:20 (permalink)
    I don't know how to answer all your questions but one pro of Sonar is it's very easy to learn to use whereas Cubase is not. It also contains all what one needs in the beginning especially the producer version. I do not know about other daw programs. If you want to know what instrument package to get I must recommend the Native Instrument's KOMPLETE 10 . It has a lot of instruments and also effects for a bargain price. Here is one good place to get to know Sonar x3:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/C...University/Get-Started
    Here is another user guide place:
    https://streamworksaudio..m/swa-complete-sonar-x2/
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/11 13:15:42 (permalink)
    as an start i want to know what are most important plgins for sonar and what they do? and as i dont have alot of instruments around me i want to know how can i have most compelete sound effects and samples for all instruments and digital made sounds.

    Every effect is most important. It all depends on the sound you want and the sound of the other instruments in the song. One effect is not more important the an other effect. Its all relative. 
     
    You will need to learn about audio engineering, as this will teach you what the effects do. Patience and allot of dedication and time is needed to learn about what each effect dopes and how it affects the sounds and how you should set them up. Every song will need different effects and effect settings. Its all relative to what you want it to sound like. There are no right or wrong ways to sue effects.
     
    Things to learn about:
    Compressors
    Limiter
    EQ's 
    Soft synths
    MIDI
    Fx like flangers delays and chorus
    buy books on audio engineering, recording and mixing and read them and sleep with them under your pillow. Maybe osmosis will happen and you can learn while sleeping as there is allot to learn
     
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/11 14:08:29 (permalink)
    All the major DAW applications offer similar basic recording/editing/mixing capabilities.
    They're all pretty similar on this level... and they're all relatively easy to use.
    As CJ mentioned, if you're completely new to using a DAW... and to mixing, you've got a steep learning curve.
    Understand that up front... and be patient with yourself knowing that it's going to take time/effort before you'll produce something that sounds like a "record".
     
    The more esoteric features are where the greatest difference lies between each of the major DAW applications.
    Sonar X3 is a good balance of:
    • Capabilities
    • Fidelity 
    • Ease of Use
    • Included Plugins/Processors
    Sonar X3 is one of the more "complete" packages... providing everything you need to get started.  
    Once you get up-and-running, you'll no doubt find other (favorite) 3rd party plugins for specific applications.
     
    No matter which DAW application you choose, it'll have strengths/weaknesses compared to the others.
    Most important is to checkout a few, make a decision that best fits you and your situation... and start learning.
    Once you're familiar with one of the major DAW applications, it's not too difficult to switch to another (if ever so desired).
     

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/11 15:07:28 (permalink)
    I use Sonar for composing.  It has more features, plugins, and virtual instruments included for free than most other DAWs (if you buy the Producer edition).
     
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 10:55:52 (permalink)
    thank you all my friends. so as you say for sound effects sonar is compelte by itself and needs no more plugins for start?
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 11:00:54 (permalink)
    Yes, X3 Producer contains more than enough to get started.
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 11:07:10 (permalink)
    For a daw beginner sonar producer has lots to offer already. It would take you sometime
    to learn or master most of its plugins and features. Groove3.com is a good source to learn sonar and audio engineering. Dotell us what kind of music do you intend to compose or record and and good folks at this forum can point you to the right direction.

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 11:16:50 (permalink)
    I believe you will not need more effects in the beginning. Here is a link to a comparison chart for you to help decide which version would be right for you:
    http://www.cakewalk.com/D...p;help=Comparison.html
    Lots of effects and instruments too.
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 12:23:41 (permalink)
    I have to mention Scott Garrigus' superb book on Sonar X3
     
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1305090195/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
    Scott has many tips and is also a user of Sonar and well as being a member of the Cakewalk forums.
    And welcome to Cakewalk and Sonar.
     

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 15:57:16 (permalink)
    One of the things that separates the different DAWs, is the strength of their score editor.
     
    Sonar's score editor is not very strong, I believe Cubase has one of the best.  If you are writing traditional music notation, consider Cubase or Avid Sibelius.
     
    OTH, Sonar has the best user interface and is highly configurable.  Don't underestimate the advantage of working with a program that is attractive to look at.

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 16:14:47 (permalink)
    FCCfirstclass
    I have to mention Scott Garrigus' superb book on Sonar X3



    Thanks very much for the mention, Clint!
     
    And welcome to the forum, Virtuoso! I think you'll find plenty of useful features available for making music in SONAR.
     
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/12 18:37:18 (permalink)
    Everybodys recomending Producer but did you all know that very little is actually missing  from Studio if you look at the comparison list.  A few fancy plug ins and Addictive drums.  So I will recommend the Sonar Studio version for first time users. You can always upgrade. 
    Download and try the demos of different DAW's if you have time.
     
    That's a good point about working with notation which is Sonars weak spot. 
     
    Your going to need an Audio Interface as well. Not sure if the Roland interfaces still include Sonar but the new Tascam interfaces are now including Sonar. So that's a way to get a free copy of the basic version. You can try it and then upgrade for a very reasonable price. 

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/13 15:24:52 (permalink)
    thank you all my friends. i think its best to just start working and learning from caketv and refrence books before just starting to do my recording on it but still will be one more question if you dont mind and that is cjaysmusic mentioned.what is audio engineering? i think as a begginer i dont know resposibilities on recording a song. let me explain more. im finishing music teory  and im just starting to write. i have good ideas(as other people say) and im just starting to work on them and i write on paper or simple programs like guitar pro. but after that if we were about more than 30 years ago there was no such programs like sonar, score on the paper was all and a band to record that but now after this level we have mixing and mastering and working effects and arranging and timings(for example just notes doesnt explain the feel and ...) i want to know a good musician should do this level or it is something that should be done by other speciallists and trust them they will whay you want. as you said this is a long process and needs a lot of work on. thank you for helping
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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/13 15:44:50 (permalink)
    I think the kind of music you intend to write may well have a bearing on which DAW to go for. To me, Sonar is a good all-round choice, but then again I don't use the notation editor which as many will tell you is one of its weaknesses. I mess with mainly synth based music with some "real" instrumentation and Sonar has served me very well although Cubase, Abelton and Reason seem to be more popular among composers of electronic/dance styles. One of the reasons I chose Sonar was because it seemed like the most complete packages in terms of instruments and effects. For sure, the Producer version definitely provides you with all you need to make great music. If you plan on writing orchestral pieces, you'll probably want to consider Cubase for its score editor, as well as the purchase of a good orchestral sample library (which could run up to $300+ for a basic one).

    There are orchestral instruments included with Sonar Producer (within Dimension Pro) but they're quite basic. Good, but not "movie score" quality.

    If you want to get a basic flavor for music production you could do worse than downloading the free trial of Reaper, it's not quite as "polished" as some DAW's but a lot of people regard it very highly. It's certainly a very solid and stable program. You could learn the basics of audio recording, MIDI sequencing and mixing with Reaper, and if you decide to buy it it's very cheap (in fact the "demo" never stops working, it just reminds you to buy it). It comes with a few basic effects and synths.

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/13 16:01:40 (permalink)
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    thank you all my friends. i think its best to just start working and learning from caketv and refrence books before just starting to do my recording on it but still will be one more question if you dont mind and that is cjaysmusic mentioned.what is audio engineering? i think as a begginer i dont know resposibilities on recording a song. let me explain more. im finishing music teory  and im just starting to write. i have good ideas(as other people say) and im just starting to work on them and i write on paper or simple programs like guitar pro. but after that if we were about more than 30 years ago there was no such programs like sonar, score on the paper was all and a band to record that but now after this level we have mixing and mastering and working effects and arranging and timings(for example just notes doesnt explain the feel and ...) i want to know a good musician should do this level or it is something that should be done by other speciallists and trust them they will whay you want. as you said this is a long process and needs a lot of work on. thank you for helping


    This forum exists to answer questions.  The membership pool have the experience and knowledge to handle just about any Sonar and music related question. You have come to the right place.
     
    Sonar is the easiest and best balanced DAW on the market.  Still it is deep and powerful. It will take time to get competent with it. Though it should be quicker than other DAWs in its ability for new DAW users to get up and running.
     
    You have already laid out a good path for learning Sonar. We are here to help you get over the spots that may hang you up a little. So call on us at anytime. 
     
    And we are your friends.    

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    Re: best choices for getting started 2014/11/14 10:59:40 (permalink)
    If you have the time, it would be best to demo different DAWs.  Usually one is easier to learn for each individual.  I'd suggest SONAR, but that was the DAW that made the quickest sense to me.  before that I had experience w/ an old Yamaha midi computer program for their computer/DX synth and analog.  If you just want to record audio, SONY's Vegas is a great program (plus you get the best video editor for the PC).
     
    You need to realize that DAWs are like word processers.  They all do the same thing and you can create music just like typing words, then editing them, or move them around via cut (or copy) and paste, change the fonts etc. and print the whole thing out.  You can recreate the same print out on most any word processer, but one of them might be a little easier for you to grok and the one you learn on will be the easiest one you to learn further capabilities.  Choose wisely and be prepared to spend a lot of time learning the basics, esp. if engineering is new to you.  DAWs are programs not so much for musicians as engineers, even if you just want to record your guitar work.  If that sounds rough, DAWs used to mean getting under the hood of your PC so you were your own tech support.  Most of that is over, so thank your stars for that.
     
    Finally, the 3 separate versions of SONAR give you some choice w/in the family.  Pro gives you just about everything you need, plug-in wise.  Even the cheapest  version gives you plenty of tools, but the more expensive versions give you better tools.  The ProChannel effects (comps and EQ) are top-notch, Breeverb and Perfect Space are two outstanding reverbs and the synth collection that comes w/ Pro is enough to satisfy most needs, except for synthesists who collect soft synths like guitarists guitars. If you can understand the SONAR demo version fine and want to jump right into the deep end of recording right away, Pro is the way to go (and will save a few bucks rather than upgrading your way to Pro).
     
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