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best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
hello all
Anyone knows the best (easiest) way to convert my many existing Sonar projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
much obliged
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:07:15
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the only way i know how to do it is to bounce the tracks out and then reimport them...
jeff
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:16:44
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Its useless and a waste of disk space and a waste of CPU to convert projects that where originally recorded at 44/16 to anything higher as far as sample rates go.
What do you expect to happen when you upsample them? It wont sound any better and youll just eat disk space
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:17:45
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studio24
the only way i know how to do it is to bounce the tracks out and then reimport them...
jeff
Jeff the thing is I have A LOT of midi events, punched audio bits and up to 100 channels in every project (and I have a bunch of those). I noticed changing bit depth was very easy (yes I know, I will re-record later), but I was wondering if there's a way to change the sample rate like that as well (or maybe some workaround)
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:19:59
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CJaysMusic
Its useless and a waste of disk space and a waste of CPU to convert projects that where originally recorded at 44/16 to anything higher as far as sample rates go.
What do you expect to happen when you upsample them? It wont sound any better and youll just eat disk space
Hello CJays I just want to re-record what's already there and be able to record with better quality from now on
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:21:27
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The only way is to export each track one by one and import them back into a new 96khz/24bit project
Thats the only way
Cj
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:28:48
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A long time ago, I converted a project "in-place" using SoundFourge to convert the
clips in the audio folder. That worked .. but that was at least 5 years go and many
versions of Sonar ago.
If you go this route, make a copy of your project.
Protools has a command File->Save Copy In... that lets you convert the
bitrate and sample depth ... maybe Sonar will implement something like this.
jeff
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:31:16
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Rename the audio folder to '96' Use your favourite batch converter to convert all the audio files to 48kHz and save them with the same file names in a folder called '48' Open the project, it will ask where the audio has gone Tell it to use the audio in the '48' folder. http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:34:41
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2018/05/14 13:54:41
Why don't you try an external wave editor that supports batch processing. Make a backup copy of your audio data, use the wav editor to change everything to the new sample rate and bit depth, change Cakewalk to use those new settings and then futz with a backed up copy of the original project file to see if you can make it happen.
Please note I have never done this, so I have no idea if it would work but there has to be an easier way than importing everything a track at a time.
CJ - You are wrong to state that there is no advantage to converting files to a higher sample rate. If you are using plugins that do not internally upsample, then using them with converted files at a higher sample rate will give better/cleaner output from those plugins.
Ciao,
Q.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:37:20
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I use Sound forge to batch process for changing sample rate of files. Works well.
There is no reason to change the bit depth of already recorded files for use in Sonar. Changing them to a higher bit depth will not make those files any better then they already are. Sonar can have different bit depth files in a project with no issues. Sample rate is a different story.
In Sonar you can set it so it will import wav files at a bit depth you want.
This is found under Global Options Audio Data.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 17:38:46
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quoricsant
hello all
Anyone knows the best (easiest) way to convert my many existing Sonar projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
much obliged
As I understand it. If you don't record the material in 48/24 and capture what might have been "missed?" in 44.1/16. All you'll be doing is adding a lot of 000000's to your file. I really doubt the conversion at that point alters any of the nuiances or transient harmonics in the original file.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 18:37:01
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Qwerty69
Why don't you try an external wave editor that supports batch processing. Make a backup copy of your audio data, use the wav editor to change everything to the new sample rate and bit depth, change Cakewalk to use those new settings and then futz with a backed up copy of the original project file to see if you can make it happen.
Please note I have never done this, so I have no idea if it would work but there has to be an easier way than importing everything a track at a time.
CJ - You are wrong to state that there is no advantage to converting files to a higher sample rate. If you are using plugins that do not internally upsample, then using them with converted files at a higher sample rate will give better/cleaner output from those plugins.
Ciao,
Q.
Dave that is actually what I had in mind. Change the audio rate in Audition and the 'fool' Sonar into reading the converted files. I too like Qwerty was thinking about virtual instruments, specially since I never bounce them (and I use a ton of those). Actually my aim is to preserve track order, audio VSTs on each track, virtual instruments with specific libraries and configs loaded, bus routing/config, tempo changes, console/track automations, etc. So, it's not just 'record it again in a new project'! much obliged all
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 18:40:54
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The point of preserving the old files is to be able to record 'on top of them' on another track, as to A/B test for nuances, proper volume and positioning, etc. (once I am on 48k/24bit).
Plus some of those files are quite old, so I'd be recording with different (better) settings, surely.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 18:48:58
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☄ Helpfulby davehorch 2018/05/14 15:08:07
Why not just finish up your old projects and be done with them? File them away and only convert those bits and pieces that you "really" need at the higher rate...ie the ones you REALLY need for a new project.
Just wholesale converting your whole library/recording drive seems like useless "busywork" to me. Comeon, there's ALWAYS something better to do, even if it's just dusting off your keyboards or playing an old guitar that you haven't touched in 10 years...
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 19:03:37
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Why not just finish up your old projects and be done with them? File them away and only convert those bits and pieces that you "really" need at the higher rate...ie the ones you REALLY need for a new project.
Just wholesale converting your whole library/recording drive seems like useless "busywork" to me. Comeon, there's ALWAYS something better to do, even if it's just dusting off your keyboards or playing an old guitar that you haven't touched in 10 years...
I guess turning to higher rates is a good chance to 'clean up/organize' my projects. But I usually erase stuff I don't need in them anyways.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2009/08/24 23:24:27
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Oops, I described how to convert from 96kHz to 48kHz, as that's what I was doing at the time.
It worked fine though...
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2017/06/17 16:08:25
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Dave Allison
Rename the audio folder to '96'
Use your favourite batch converter to convert all the audio files to 48kHz and save them with the same file names in a folder called '48'
Open the project, it will ask where the audio has gone
Tell it to use the audio in the '48' folder.
8 years later r8brain still is a great option. I used it to convert from 44.1 to 48 (mostly 64float audio in the project) because a new Line 6 HD 500X was 48 native sampling rate. A very useful utility and yep, Sonar guesses its sample rate from the audio files in the project. It's an irritating "feature" and it would be nice if Sonar came with a bulk converter since it can tell the difference between bounced tracks (which should be rerendered) and original sources. At least with r8brain you don't have to export and cut and paste everything by hand.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2017/06/17 18:07:06
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Old thread but using any Way editor to batch convert as stated above is easy. There are many free wave editors that do batch conversion to most any size and the ones I use allow you to create a target folder and name it. So you don't destroy the originals. My favourite Batch converter is Gold Wave http://www.goldwave.ca/release.phpfree to try as long as you like but worth the $45 lifetime as they have been around a long time now and don't look to be going away. This is how I create my MP3's as it much faster than re exporting from Sonar.
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2017/06/17 20:38:11
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Although you are indeed adding a bunch of zeros when you change the bit depth, if you do any processing, you are better off with the extra headroom, AFAIK...
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Re:best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2017/06/17 22:52:23
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Unless you are actually up-sampling by means of another route, like adding lots of harmonics and grain, 24-bit reverbs there is actually not much point apart from adding some extra 0's to your files. If you are and also using new 24-bit content then it does no harm as the extra headroom will benefit your mix in the end.
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/14 04:38:06
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CJaysMusic
Its useless and a waste of disk space and a waste of CPU to convert projects that where originally recorded at 44/16 to anything higher as far as sample rates go.
What do you expect to happen when you upsample them? It wont sound any better and youll just eat disk space
I don't think the guy was asking your opinion if it was the right thing to do or not but he was asking how to do it? There are many reasons to be changing things such as this. #1 you could have bought a new piece of gear & it doesn't work with the old sample rate. I've been recording for the last 10 years @ 44.1 16 bit but my new Presonus StudioLive 32 will only work @ 48KHz @ 24bit so now I have 40,935 wav files that are currently in need of being modified from 44.1khz @16bit to 48 @24bit To my knowledge the best solution is r8brain which will perform in a batch saving the operator hundreds of hours if you have a large project such as mine. After trying it on 500 or so files it was flawless & easy to use. I'm putting roughly 1000 files into a folder every night for the conversion & should have it all completed in a month or so.
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/14 12:28:45
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Its useless and a waste of disk space and a waste of CPU to convert projects that where originally recorded at 44/16 to anything higher as far as sample rates go.
What do you expect to happen when you upsample them? It wont sound any better and youll just eat disk space
I don't think the guy was asking your opinion if it was the right thing to do or not but he was asking how to do it?
There are many reasons to be changing things such as this. #1 you could have bought a new piece of gear & it doesn't work with the old sample rate. I've been recording for the last 10 years @ 44.1 16 bit but my new Presonus StudioLive 32 will only work @ 48KHz @ 24bit so now I have 40,935 wav files that are currently in need of being modified from 44.1khz @16bit to 48 @24bit
To my knowledge the best solution is r8brain which will perform in a batch saving the operator hundreds of hours if you have a large project such as mine. After trying it on 500 or so files it was flawless & easy to use.
I'm putting roughly 1000 files into a folder every night for the conversion & should have it all completed in a month or so.
Yeah well done for quoting a post from 9 years ago. I think he's probably moved on by now......
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/14 14:03:20
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I've upsampled a project recorded at 48 to 96 for a client who wanted higher sample rates....'what the client wants, the client gets!'
My advice. You say that the majority of your project is MIDI based? Try - delete / unfreeze / export all wav files that you don't need until your project is essentially MIDI parts only. Save that project as a copy at a higher sample rate then start from scratch wit the wav files (or reimport them at a higher rate).
If you have problems saving as copy with MIDI files in the project, you'll have to export all MIDI files too.
You can always try saving the project with existing plugins, VSTs etc as a template, so you don't have to go through all this again.
I've got some templates setup with all my go-to instruments etc...just to save time.
My old copy of Cool Edit Pro has batch convert which works a dream for mass converting old wav files [who needs new software, right? ;) ], after converting, you can reintroduce them into the project.
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/19 02:37:33
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So, what exactly is the "Change Audio Format" under Utilities? Would that apply in any of these scenarios? Or what exactly is it for? I've never used it..
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/19 16:35:03
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I know this is an old thread, but can't resist a few comments.
If something was recorded at 44.1 kHz, the quality will not improve if resampled to a higher sample rate. It will improve only if what was recorded is being generated "in the box" and can be rendered at a higher sample rate. However rendering at 48 kHz is not enough to prevent foldover distortion. You'd need at least 88.1 or 96 kHz.
If you need to have finished projects at 48 kHz (e.g., because of being requested by a video house), it makes more sense to mix at 44.1 kHz, and then sample-rate-convert the master.
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Re: best way to convert my projects from 44.1k/16bit to 48k/24bit?
2018/05/19 17:00:19
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Anderton
If you need to have finished projects at 48 kHz (e.g., because of being requested by a video house), it makes more sense to mix at 44.1 kHz, and then sample-rate-convert the master.
+1 definitely... I was, however, quite shocked that a $3000 piece of hardware doesn't support 44.1 (I had to Google that to believe it, but says "coming soon"). In that case, I would ONLY convert what I was actively working on. By the time 41,000 wav files are converted, the "coming soon" will have passed. It is easy to create "busy work" with no end for oneself; but if it is not contributing to "finished product," it could very well become "waste of time."
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