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2017/07/16 19:06:27 (permalink)

binaural panning

I've been looking into getting one of these plug-ins. Seen a video which talks about in Logic Pro X which does seem quite a cool effect. Some stuff I do with string libraries uses two reverbs - one front impulse and a rear impulse however I don't think it takes any notice of the different frequencies at the "back of your head". I imagine it's not phase cancelling because of the two different impulses although is there a better way to do this.
 
http://www.noisemakers.fr/binauralizer/
 
This plug-in sticks the audio into a 3d space by panning everything around a virtual headspace.
 
http://www.waves.com/plugins/brauer-motion#brauer-motion-plugin-tutorial
 
That's also cool but can you keep this thing static You don't want to be giving people motion sickness when listening to music.
 
There's NX which can emulate your headspace however this is designed to emulate a room through your headphones. I already have his however I'm not sure that is going to work well or be CPU efficient enough.
 
The noisemaker would be pretty cool however at about £200 it's a fiscally out of reach currently. The Waves one if I could just slow down enough or even just keep static would be better. I'm probably asking a bit too much as usual. You know me, always asking the easy questions.
 

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 02:55:49 (permalink)
    Before you blow money on an HRTF effect, bear in mind that the effect only works if you listen with IEMs, not so much with speakers or even over-ear headphones.
     
    You can find some sample recordings (nature sounds) here. There is also a page there that talks about how the recordings were made and how best to experience them. It's pretty cool, but do you really want to have to include listening instructions with your own mixes?
     


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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 08:29:26 (permalink)
    I dare say these effects work better over surround speakers or the spatial of headphones. I demoed Brauer Motion. Suppose I was just wanting creative effects. The Doppler effect is close to what I'm looking for however I don't want any pitch drift.

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 15:19:39 (permalink)
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    Before you blow money on an HRTF effect, bear in mind that the effect only works if you listen with IEMs, not so much with speakers or even over-ear headphones.
     
    You can find some sample recordings (nature sounds) here. There is also a page there that talks about how the recordings were made and how best to experience them. It's pretty cool, but do you really want to have to include listening instructions with your own mixes?




    Hey, thanks for that link!
     
    There's also a few binaural field recordings here.  6 of them are binaural, the rest used various other recording techniques.  The Bird Symphony is my favorite.  http://www.luftrum.com/free-field-recordings/

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 19:29:16 (permalink)
    That was cool. Somebody should make a 30-minute sleep aid. I'd like to hear a seashore version with lapping/crashing waves, seagulls in three dimensions and a distant foghorn.
     
    Even better, have an orchestra conductor don the binaural microphones so we can hear what a symphony sounds like from his perspective at the podium. 


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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 20:47:13 (permalink)
    I just had a chance to play with Brauer Motion on a project and it it is VERY cool plugin. If you like creating motion in your sounds, it's worth checking out.
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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 21:54:46 (permalink)
    I tried it on a Taiko loop I programmed some time ago in Battery. The difference is subtle however it doesn't feel as static as before.  The left channel is spinning at a different speed from the right so gives it syncopated feel. It's pretty unique being able to effectively handle each channel differently.
     
    I still feel like it's look like a cheap sci-fi prop from a TV show though.
     

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 23:18:29 (permalink)
    If you like that sort of thing, there are two FREE plugins you should play with: PanCake from Cableguys and MAutoPan from Meldaproduction's free bundle.
     
    Pancake lets you draw any kind of curve you want, which is fun but kinda hit 'n miss. MAutoPan gives you adjustable LFO waveforms, not as adjustable as Pancake's but easier to use and can be modulated. Plus it supports M/S processing. Want even more motion? MAutoPan's big brother, MAutoPanMB, is currently on sale.


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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 23:28:35 (permalink)
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    If you like that sort of thing, there are two FREE plugins you should play with: PanCake from Cableguys and MAutoPan from Meldaproduction's free bundle.
     
    Pancake lets you draw any kind of curve you want, which is fun but kinda hit 'n miss. MAutoPan gives you adjustable LFO waveforms, not as adjustable as Pancake's but easier to use and can be modulated. Plus it supports M/S processing. Want even more motion? MAutoPan's big brother, MAutoPanMB, is currently on sale.




    Just gotta say, I've had a lot of fun with Pancake!!! 

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/17 23:43:58 (permalink)
    I like Waves, Izotope, SPL (Brainworx) and most stuff from Audio Damage at the moment. I'm just going through a phase of building up Plug-ins on requirement rather than needless purchases.
     
    I must be the only person who isn't won over by the CLA series though with the exception of LA76,LA2A, LA3A emulations.
     

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/18 11:27:19 (permalink)
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    That was cool. Somebody should make a 30-minute sleep aid. I'd like to hear a seashore version with lapping/crashing waves, seagulls in three dimensions and a distant foghorn.
     
    Even better, have an orchestra conductor don the binaural microphones so we can hear what a symphony sounds like from his perspective at the podium. 




    I don't have 30 min, but I've been going around Japan making videos with binaural sound. Whether they're relaxing or not you'll have to judge for yourself. I love binaural recordings, but it seems like they aren't to popular outside of ASMR.
     
     

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/18 16:59:05 (permalink)
    That was great! Especially where you're turning around and you hear laughter moving to the rear. Tell us about your microphones, please.


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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/19 03:20:20 (permalink)
    Thanks. I used these

    https://www.amazon.com/gp...ds=binaural+microphone

    They're cheap and I was afraid they wouldn't work or they'd have too much noise, but I've been suprised by how good they sound. I did have to buy a Zoom hand held recorder though because my camera and iphone refuse to fecord in stereo. I have to snap my fingers to sync the video and audio afterwards, but its not too mich trouble. It's not as hard or as expensive as you would think.

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/19 03:20:22 (permalink)
    Double

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/19 15:08:04 (permalink)
    Very cool. And only 20 bucks. Unfortunately, my pocket recorder has only a single input for an external microphone and can therefore only record stereo using its built-in mics. So no binaural experiments for me today.


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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/21 02:22:43 (permalink)
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    Very cool. And only 20 bucks. Unfortunately, my pocket recorder has only a single input for an external microphone and can therefore only record stereo using its built-in mics. So no binaural experiments for me today.


    The Zoom only has a single input, but it can record in stereo. I think stereo chords have 3 lines on the plug instead of 2, but there doesn't seem to be mich info on which recorders can record in stereo and which can't. I want to do more experiments in the future. Maybe I'll compare the difference between a mic'd amp and the amp in the room tone.

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    Re: binaural panning 2017/07/21 19:36:45 (permalink)
    I could drag around a mic pre and use the line in, but that takes away the ability that you enjoy of just walking around while inconspicuously recording. I think I'll just continue to enjoy other people's experiments.


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