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2012/04/09 09:04:32 (permalink)

boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome.

so i know most dont agree here,but its still IN THE BACK OF OF MANY MINDS WHAT WILL BE THE TREND IN THE NEXT VERSION WITH CONTENT.
fact is  that sonar is overchargin and misleading customers with there marketing
 producer expandeds name needs to changed at the least.
expanded is nothin but a toolbox you pay for.  gives you nothing more than a toolbox
 to place more (overpriced content that should of been included in) 
SONAR PRODUCER EXPANDED.
 and just to be clear we are all sonar users and would much rather be focused on our music .
 but feel its not right that the ones who can throw money at a company seem to get perks and the kids who cant afford it ,we  get nothing ,  so in fact  cant keep there full version up to date , so we are only trying to make shure this trend with content being held back for more profit
 is not the trend for the future versions.
 
we will be gathering at berkley school of music at,11 am
there will be a large number of suffolk U kids so please lets stay focused on makin sonar better(fix the bugs( not use there resorces to make more plugins ,and making it more affordable is our goal,please carry your self in a respectful way.

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    JazzSinger
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:25:04 (permalink)
    When you say toolbox, do you mean the ProChannel?
     
    As I understand it, it's supposed to be a channel strip, like on an advanced mixer. All FX belonging to the currently selected track are now in the inspector/PC. As a side effect, the width of any FX in the ProChannel need to have the same width, so yes, normal VST fx do not fit.

    3rd party suppliers are already creating PC modules. Perhaps the bakers can publish the PC interface specs for hobby programmers.

    The old FX bin is still there and there is no need to upgrade to Expanded if you do not wish to.

    Really low special offers moved me to get the Concrete Limiter and move up to Expanded. It was more than reasonably priced.

    I do however agree with priority bugfixing and the muddle in the naming.

    I suspect Cake will need to make the PC standard in all versions one day. Keeping forked versions in sync cannot be cheap.
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:26:05 (permalink)
    Bro, it's 9 April, you're 8 days late with this post, but nice one anyway!

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:38:37 (permalink)
    Buy a different DAW and spend your energy somewhere more worthwhile, seriously.
    There are more important things in life.
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:39:15 (permalink)
    I understand your frustration and probably feeling that you are getting cheated...BUT...what you are asking for reminds me of someone who is for socialism (not that you are). Which in my opinion is about to ruin this country. People are created equal in the respect that they have an equal chance at making something of themselves and reaping the rewards. Socialism means that the hard working people must work so they can share their rewards with everyone else who would rather sit on their behinds and do nothing. Cakewalk is a company trying to generate revenue. They are not keeping any of their products from anyone if you choose to buy it. If my studio generates revenue, then I am capable of buying more tools of the trade. I feel that Cakewalk has "given" us plenty for the money we pay for it. If we want "bling" for our DAW it is available. Sorry for the continuous paragraph...I'm on FireFox at the moment. This is in no way a personal hit toward the OP...just my opinion on the subject.

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:47:08 (permalink)
    JazzSinger


    When you say toolbox, do you mean the ProChannel?
     
    As I understand it, it's supposed to be a channel strip, like on an advanced mixer. All FX belonging to the currently selected track are now in the inspector/PC. As a side effect, the width of any FX in the ProChannel need to have the same width, so yes, normal VST fx do not fit.

    3rd party suppliers are already creating PC modules. Perhaps the bakers can publish the PC interface specs for hobby programmers.

    The old FX bin is still there and there is no need to upgrade to Expanded if you do not wish to.

    Really low special offers moved me to get the Concrete Limiter and move up to Expanded. It was more than reasonably priced.

    I do however agree with priority bugfixing and the muddle in the naming.

    I suspect Cake will need to make the PC standard in all versions one day. Keeping forked versions in sync cannot be cheap.
    yes expanded alone gives you the eq that should of been in producer, that are there 2. hmm
     but yes i agree , but tell me this ,you have to pay for every plugin (and it wouldnt seem wrong that they end up throwing it in there next full version) , to see them add the intire PC suite in the next version. that version would be fairly called expanded.
     the eq that you get with expanded, is in fact the one that should of came with the producer  version, why would they put  out a less than steller eq in PC and then make you pay for the better eq. eq is just a eq, but to cakewalk now its a more profit.
     and if we do nothing they will keep this trend and expand on it as a stand alone sorce of income.and the consumer gets again overcharged.
     have a great day hope to see some faithful sonar user in town today.
     and trust me i tryed evey other way with cakewalk ,they100% believe they can charge for anything.and this started with the MP3 encoder wish i said somthing then before it came to a full marketing stategy.
     

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:48:42 (permalink)
    Sickvision, I have a challenge for you. See if you can make a post that's different from all your other posts. 

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:50:02 (permalink)
    i dont think this is any type of april fools joke.i think hes serious.
    i can relate to being frustrated about the way advertising throws a little trickery at you so in all honesty i can some what agree with your frustration,but i sure wont be marching down the road holding big "say no to x1" flags..dude come on..save your protests for things like fair wages and freedom...ive thought the same thing at times,im not big on cakes marketing department,exspecialy some of the over bloated emails i get claiming everyone in forum is raving about x1 expanded..i take it you bought x1 expanded and opened it up and said.."what is this? " ..i thought expanded would mean at least a pro channel extra or two. but it doesnt,and thats the way i interpt it,so there is no one to blaim but ourselfs when we dont do enough research to see what the end product where buying is,we cant blame cakewalk.there a buisiness and with buisiness comes sales.the good guys who are designing sonar and helping us in the forums(brendon,seth,noel)these are good guys and they dont control what marketing does.you want to protest something,protest marketing,and not just cakewalks marketing,everyones marketing.there trying to sell you something using age old technics.i like your passion sickvision,i honestly do.i think your actualy a pretty decent guy and you have a passion to make things right and without people like you screaming for change we would all be buried in the mix(no pun)and no one would listen.but you need to pick and choose your battles a little better.and thats just my opinion man,we all know what opinions are like.good luck today,

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 09:50:22 (permalink)
    cakewalk are a business, they will do whatever they (or roland) think they need to to make money

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:05:17 (permalink)
    up untill this version john i  have been one of the most outspoken person for sonar being the PC standard.
    and as much as i love sonar , i cant bring myself to look past this issus. im sorry if it seems old and anoying, but as i stated iv tryed ro reson with the good folks at cakewalk, but it comes down to $$$$ nothing more.
    i have 6 kids i teach music to for free, 3  .
    so this isnt just me being a pain. what would it look like to just quit fighting for content for there #1 daw, when i know these kids could benifit from it they deserve a chance to use PC. and not have to spend there lunch money on brick limiter cus cakewalk said so.
    me iv long given up on the hope of the folks at cakewalk caring, this would of ended after my last visit to TEC support.\as we all know there all worryed about there comissions.
     so what would you like to talk about that more important than this.
     these kids have never even seen PC other than the adds they send everyweek

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:12:14 (permalink)
    maybe cake do educational licensing?

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:17:15 (permalink)
    I don't really understand.  no one is forcing you to purchase the PC modules and just because you don't have the PC modules doesn't mean you can't make music without them.  cakewalk has not crippled X1 in any way if you don't purchase the modules or Expanded. 

    cakewalk is in business to make money.  they have given their customers the ability to purchase add ons if they desire.  they are not required for full functionality of the product.  they are only extras.

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:18:31 (permalink)
    I'm from Boston, and I jam quite often with Berklee teachers and students. However all of the versions of Sonar that I've owned have worked fantastic for me. (I've been one of the lucky ones I guess). Plus I don't think my day job would appreciate me taking the day off to protest a computer program (that I actually like.)
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:20:09 (permalink)
    just some FYI.
     iv been blown away at the support iv gotten from protools support,
    Sound Forge, and,Cubase.
     and i dont even use eather.
    iv been with cakwalk for years and honestly , i have seen the trend of guys who seems to think they deserve there full vesions, payed nothing and sit on the forum trashing anyone who thinks its unfair.BUT THATS OK WHERE HUMAN.
     so why is cakwalk so unwilling to support local music in there home town????
     sonar only supports schools and kids who can afford it.period
     have a great day guys.


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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:27:51 (permalink)
    Occupy Cakewalk!

    268 Summer St.... Come on down, bring your kids and your neighbors... we got hot cocoa, djembes, and a bullhorn!
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:32:42 (permalink)
    Learn the difference between "their" and "there" and perhaps you might be taken more seriously.  OF course then you'll need to work on your logic.
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:36:44 (permalink)
    What would I like to talk about that's more important than this? I can't think of anything less important. You want stuff to be free. Stuff isn't free. Learn to live with it. 

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:41:40 (permalink)
    Old, real old. I just fail to see the problem. There's nothing in the EQ department or any other effect that has been taken away from Sonar. The Sonitus suite is still there. The PC is an addition with extra modules available for purchase for those of us that want them.

    I haven't got them all, I've got the ones I want and I'll continue to buy the ones I want. I could still make music if it was suddenly taken away. The PC makes it easier, that's what I pay for. You whole argument is just nonsense to me. I guess that'll make me some sort of fanboi in your opinion but that's just my view on the subject.
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:45:37 (permalink)
    You might like to consider Reaper.
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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:49:03 (permalink)
    Sick seems to miss the point of marketing and earning a living.

    Marketing is selling the latest and greatest.  That happens to be Expanded, which came after Pro.

    Cake is obviously trying to make money by selling ProChannel modules.  Since there (sic) no longer on a yearly upgrade schedule and the price for upgrading has gone down they need to make up the revenue somehow.  But to complain that last year's model doesn't have all the bells and whistles as this year's is unreasonable.  I think most of us think that X2 Pro will included Expanded.  But you will have to pay for it.

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:55:56 (permalink)
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    Learn the difference between "their" and "there" and perhaps you might be taken more seriously.  OF course then you'll need to work on your logic.

    I suspect it will take much more than this.  


    It's unfortunate that we are seeing someone spiral down into a never ending rant right in front of us.  One that when stated once, maybe twice, might actually have a hint of a point, but when it becomes the central theme of ones existence on an online forum, simply becomes ... well, you can fill in the blank with whatever word you choose.  

    Unfortunately, this is an argument based on what most see as completely optional components of Sonar X1, nothing that was ever promised as free for ever add-ons when he purchased it.  The thought that somehow he can no longer make music because we now have the ability to purchase additional optional content has somehow invalidated his original purchase in his mind.  Somehow additional ProChannel modules are now a requirement to do what he used to do instead of a completely optional tool to use as they are seen by every other Sonar user.  Somehow when Cakewalk released additional modules at a price, the game was changed right under his feet.  Somehow the ones that were included with Sonar X1 Producer, as gratis new features,became useless tools unless he could get the new ones for free forever.  They were now nickel and diming him for things that all of us know are "optional", as in not required, not a core product capability, just another tool in the toolbox if we choose to buy into and use it.

    I've mentioned to him in other posts, that perhaps it's time to step away, time to get back to focusing on making music as he once did, time to stop playing the "keeping up with the Joneses" game he seems intent on defining his enjoyment from both the act of making music and the tools used for it.  I still feel the same way.

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    Re:boston afternoon protest all sonar user's welcome. 2012/04/09 10:57:31 (permalink)
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     Socialism means that the hard working people must work so they can share their rewards with everyone else who would rather sit on their behinds and do nothing.  .


    That is hardly what socialism represents.  The primary goal of socialism is social equality and a distribution of wealth based on one's contribution to society, and an economic arrangement that serves society as a whole.  It does not advocate for people who do not wish to contribute to society. 

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