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bouncing to tracks
Although I've done some recordings I am proud of, I've decided to try to learn Sonar 6 much more completely. There is so much it can do. I've started to go through the tutorials, and I'm up to Tutorial 5 (Bouncing to tracks) I go by the book, to the letter, and the end result (after bouncing the congas and maracas (on page 89-90 of the sonar 6 manual) from tracks 6 and 7 to a new track 8, I hear nothing. Actually the only thing I can hear is the original 2 tracks (6&7) that I was bouncing to 8 (to save CPU) I was going to archive these tracks and just use 8. The original tracks with drums, bass and guitar are not even sounding. I see the audio information on all of the tracks including the new track. I've checked the outputs of all of the tracks. They all use the sound card. I've reset the latence all the way to safe and buffers to 2 as suggested. When I delete the new track I hear everything again without a glitch. What am I doing wrong. Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 01:59:53
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Its good to see that your starting off right by doing the tutorials. Ther must be something your not checking or maybee a you have a setting that is wrong. Here is something that could help you out....................................... To Mix Down (Bounce) Audio Tracks Set all volume, pan, effects, and automation settings just as you want them. Select the tracks or clips you want to mix down. If you are using effects on the tracks and want to mix the effects down at this time, select the whole length of the longest track or clip plus an extra measure for the reverb or effects "tail." Choose Edit-Bounce to Track(s) to open the Bounce to Track(s) dialog. Select the first destination track for the mixdown. If you've saved a preset configuration for the Bounce to Tracks dialog, select it now in the Preset window. In the Source Category field, select the source you want to use for your bounced track(s) from the following options: Tracks--choosing this option creates new separate tracks for each track you highlight in the Source Buses/Tracks field. Each track you highlight will produce a new mono track, stereo track, or two new mono tracks (the Split Mono option), depending on what you choose in the Channel Format field. Buses--choosing this option creates new separate tracks for each bus you highlight in the Source Buses/Tracks field. Each bus you highlight will produce a new mono track, stereo track, or two to eight new mono tracks (the Split Mono option), depending on whether the bus is a stereo or surround bus, and depending on what you choose in the Channel Format field. Main Outputs--choosing this option creates new separate tracks for each main output you highlight in the Source Buses/Tracks field. Each main output you highlight will produce a new mono track, stereo track, or two to eight new mono tracks (the Split Mono option), depending on whether the output is a stereo output or the Surround Main, and depending on what you choose in the Channel Format field. Entire Mix--choosing this option bounces your entire mix down to a new mono track, stereo track, or two to eight new mono tracks (the Split Mono option), depending on whether the output is a stereo output or the Surround Main, and depending on what you choose in the Channel Format field. Select a channel format: the kind of track(s) you want to create with your bounce. Select source buses or tracks. Select the kind of dithering you want for your bounce, or select None. In the Mix Enables field, choose the elements you want to include in the mixdown. If you want to exclude muted tracks and/or include only soloed tracks, make sure Track Mute/Solo is checked. Make sure Fast Bounce is checked, otherwise the bounce process will take as long as it takes to play your selected track data in real time. Usually, you also want to check 64-bit Mix Engine. This option lets you turn on the 64-bit mix engine temporarily while you bounce your tracks. This produces a higher-quality bounce without taxing your CPU during the rest of your session. Note: If you have patched a synth into a track or bus, make sure you check Track FX to include synths that are patched into tracks, and check Bus FX to include synths that are patched into buses. Note: If you don't check Track Automation, any initial volume and pan settings in an exported track are ignored and the track's audio data will be exported at the level that exists in the track, with pan set to center. If you don't check Clip Automation, any trim settings are ignored during export. CJ
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 02:28:40
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CJ Thank you for responding in a timely manner. Your post was deeper than the manual. I tried highlighting the 2 tracks and soloing the 2 tracks as the manual suggested. I highlighted the time using the ruler up top edit > Bounce to track(s) destination = <8> new source = Entire mix Channel Rormat = Stereo Dithering = triangle (by default, the book did not address this field) Everythin in "Mix Enables" field is checked
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 03:06:46
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If I delete the new track, the song plays fine again. If I just delete the new clip and leave the track there, the song still plays fine again. There has got to be something in the mixdown clip that is somehow corrupting the rest of the tracks. It seems like a routing issue, but all of the outputs are the same as before the mixdown. Is there an online "beyond" the manual that is better than the paper one I have. I've run into frustration with this manual on a number of occasions. Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 09:15:25
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Hi Wayne, I don't know, from what your describeing it sounds like it could be a corrupt project file. Either that or a bug. Try copying all your tracks and paste them into a new project file. That's worked for me quite a few times in the past if the Project file has gone bad. Also check your plugins out, I guess that's always a possibility. What I don't understand is the "Dithering" option. I'm still on Sonar-4 and there is no "Dithering" option in the "Bounce to Track(s)" dialog box. Something must have changed but I wouldn't think you would want to use dithering in a bounce. T.S.
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 09:36:35
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Have you tried pressing F1 and using the help file. It is very extensive
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 09:37:56
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there is also the Scott Garrigus Sonar Power book which I thoroughly recommend.
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dog pounder
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 21:49:31
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I have used the help files. I intend on ordering the book and perhaps the videos. In the meantime I was going through the tutorials. I must be doing something wrong or something is wrong with the program. I went to a completely different song, and tried to bounce two tracks to another. The tracks will play little hicups of sound but mostly silence until I wipe the new track or delete it. Then everything is back to playing fine. I don't understand why, but I bet there is some little button that isn't pushed and when I do, everything will be right with the world again. Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/09 22:54:53
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I think it's time to reload the program. I openned up Sonar 3 and tried bouncing to tracks and it works perfectly. So I believe I know what I'm doing, but the program is not doing it. I'll reload Sonar 6 and let you know. Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/10 00:42:57
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OK, So I re-load Sonar 6. Same thing...a hiccup of sound and then silence...until I pause and start again. Then another hiccup. I openned the song in Sonar 3, bounce to tracks. Perfect. I saved the song. Then loaded it in Sonar 6. Perfect. Something is wrong with what I'm doing in 6 or there is some kind of a conflict, or the bounce to track feature is faulty. just letting you know what I've tried. Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/10 00:47:45
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OK, I wrongly thought that "safer" latencey would be better. The more I moved the latencey scroll bar to the left (towards fast) the better it got. It's now working perfectly. BTW the reason I moved it to the right (towards safe) was to accomodate recording with my USB conection to my POD XT Live. Like I said before. One little button, and all is right with the world....now back to the tutorials. Thanks for the replies, Wayne
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/10 08:19:30
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Thanks for the recommendation, Mike! Hi Wayne, Yes, the latency sometimes needs to be adjusted for various tasks, but this depends on the power of your PC. Glad you found the solution. If you want to check out my books, go the Power Books section of my site: http://www.garrigus.com/ And be sure to check out my free music technology newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of Cakewalk, Sound Forge 6, 7/8 and SONAR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Power books. ** Get Sonar 6 Power & Sound Forge 8 Power - Today! ** http://www.garrigus.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq. Win a free Absynth 3 or Kontakt 2 DVD Tutorial and learn cool music technology tips and techniques by getting a FREE subscription to DigiFreq... over 20,000 readers can't be wrong! Go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/
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RE: bouncing to tracks
2007/03/10 08:28:13
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Hello, Bounce to track should always work irrespective of latency. The only exception is that certain disk streaming plugins are dependent on the buffer size so you may get varying performance with these. If you send me the details on the exact tutorial you were following and the exact steps you followed I can look into this. Please send me a Private Message through the forum with this information. Which version of SOANR 6 do you have currently installed? thanks
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