gitarman4u
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burning in new headphones
I read about burning in a new set of headphones but I've never heard of that before ... after reading some of these posts, I guess it makes sense but what do you do to "burn" in a new set of headphones ? Obviously you have to play music through them but at what volume and for how long, etc ...... just purchased a new set of Audio Tech ATH-M50 headphones from everyone's recommendations and they sound awesome .... thanks everyone ....
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/11/15 22:30:42
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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gitarman4u
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/11/16 16:26:32
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Thanks gswitz ... some of this stuff I had never heard of before .. lol ....
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/11/24 08:20:42
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The whole 'burning in' thing is a fallacy. There's a recent article on it, I think possibly in Sound on Sound. Basically it may have made some sense in the days of cardboard speaker cones but modern materials and magnets don't require any burnin and the sound you get on day one is the sound you should get years from now. Of course, psychologically you may feel better and it's harmless, but definitely a total waste of time. Unfortunately there's a lot of nonsense floating around in the audiophile area (like special 'oxygen free' cable etc) but it's simply not worth trying to engage with true believers in this area. Many years ago I entered a debate on the subject and one of the protagonists got so angry I heard several weeks later he actually died of a heart attack!. So now I just say, 'whatever'....
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/05 23:16:23
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Yeah but...
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Leadfoot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/05 23:28:13
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Not to be argumentative, but the manual that came with my Focal CMS 65's recommended playing bass heavy music through them at a fairly high volume for 20-25 hours. I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but after a few days, there was a very noticeable difference in the low end.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/05 23:36:42
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Leadfoot Not to be argumentative, but the manual that came with my Focal CMS 65's recommended playing bass heavy music through them at a fairly high volume for 20-25 hours. I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but after a few days, there was a very noticeable difference in the low end. Ooh! I have an idea! I can buy these, soak them by the dozens and resell them for more as "Studio ready; pre-burned-in for your convenience!"
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Cactus Music
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 00:34:03
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☄ Helpfulby 2:43AM 2013/12/06 06:37:37
Mine defiantly sounded better after a few beers! Try that instead! Doesn't take as long to get the same results.
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Leadfoot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 08:24:15
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Well thanks for ridiculing me, but like I said, this was stated in the manual. I don't have much in the form of money, and an investment like this is huge for me. So I didn't want to take a chance on blowing them from not breaking them in like the manual said.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 09:46:53
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Leadfoot Well thanks for ridiculing me, but like I said, this was stated in the manual. I don't have much in the form of money, and an investment like this is huge for me. So I didn't want to take a chance on blowing them from not breaking them in like the manual said.
It wasn't aimed at you. You didn't write the procedures. You'll have a good day today-- it's Friday!
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Leadfoot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 10:18:08
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2:43AM It wasn't aimed at you. You didn't write the procedures. You'll have a good day today--it's Friday!
Sorry for the mistake. I hope you have a good day too.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 10:41:09
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 10:48:09
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I have read so many user experiences and manufacturers recommendations about breaking in monitor speakers, that I have no doubt it makes sense to do it, at least with some speakers. And if it's worth the time with speakers, why not with headphones. After all, the process of producing the sound is mechanical movement in the end, and if a pair of trousers work and feel better after some use and the first wash, and a new car consumes less gas after 10 000 km drive, why wouldn't that apply to the behaviour of a loudspeaker cone-structure. The last break-in-discussion I followed was about the Equator loudspeakers.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/06 13:10:33
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Higher end headphones do benefit from a burn in period. It has nothing to do with the magnets but making the "cone" material more responsive to vibrations. Every device with a vibrating diaphragm from speakers to grand pianos have an immaturity stage. Burning in your $30 ipod earbuds if pointless, but large over-ear phones do benefit. Long hours of moderate to low volume music is best to encourage fast transient response and tame harsh high frequencies. And yes if you pay more than a $1/ft for raw cable and $4 for a connector, you are a sucker.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 09:13:10
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Kalle Rantaaho I have read so many user experiences and manufacturers recommendations about breaking in monitor speakers, that I have no doubt it makes sense to do it, at least with some speakers. And if it's worth the time with speakers, why not with headphones. After all, the process of producing the sound is mechanical movement in the end, and if a pair of trousers work and feel better after some use and the first wash, and a new car consumes less gas after 10 000 km drive, why wouldn't that apply to the behaviour of a loudspeaker cone-structure. The last break-in-discussion I followed was about the Equator loudspeakers.
I have the equators, and there is no question that when I first plugged them in, they sounded radically different then they do now. I actually thought they were broken when I first got them. Whether or not I needed hours and hours of burn in is certainly debatable, but running pink noise at moderate volume for a while sure as hell did something...
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 09:39:39
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bitflipper Have a look at this: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/evidence-headphone-break Before you get excited about the apparent hard evidence that break-in really does something, note the Y-axis scale on the graphs.
It seems like the fellow confides that, regardless of the fact that he has lots of data to present, his testing procedure wasn't consistent enough to draw a conclusion. I am perplextertained by the fact that the comments left on that page suggest that no one who left comments actually read the page. His presentation begs the obvious question; How does he know it wasn't his microphones breaking in that caused the deviation in test results? :-) best regards, mike
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Rimshot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 11:19:50
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I noticed a big difference breaking in my Equator D-5's and my ATH-M50's. No doubt at all that it took time to mellow the high end and get more bass response. I used the pink noise method. Rimshot
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bitflipper
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 11:29:03
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I have officially added "perplextertained" to my vocabulary. Whether it earns a spot in permanent rotation or not depends on how often other people understand its meaning. Never mind that the data was not conclusive - even if it had been, the results would still have been inconsequential. Look at the numbers. With the exception of one narrow band, the changes were tiny fractions of a decibel. Even the most significant change was less than a single decibel. Your headphones can change more than that just by wearing them slightly a-kilter or by adjusting the headband. The adaptability of hearing is a recurring theme in the study of psychoacoustics. The fact is, your perception of sound adjusts to the environment automatically. Over time it will adapt to flaws in your speakers and in your room acoustics. Your speakers and headphones will actually sound better to you the more you listen to them, which might lead you to conclude that some profound physical change has occurred in the speakers, when in fact the change happened entirely in your head. This, BTW, is a good thing. It's why the single best thing you can do for your listening environment is to simply spend time listening in it.
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Rimshot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 11:57:49
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Hi Bit, This is from an SOS review of the D5's. I do think that our brains adjust to what we hear but I also know for myself, that there is a physical break in period for these speakers as well. Don't want to argue but just stating what is true for me. :) Rimshot The back panel houses the audio inputs, an input sensitivity knob, and a three-way Boundary switch that optimises the speaker's performance for half-space, quarter-space or free-standing operation. Like most loudspeakers, the D5s need to be run in for a while, and it took about 12 hours of continuous playback for the sound to open up and settle sufficiently to allow serious listening to begin. My first impressions were of a well-behaved loudspeaker with a slightly forward character to its mid-range. The treble and bass appeared smooth and controlled, without any noticeable peaks or troughs in the response, and the D5 delivered a high degree of detail at both ends of the spectrum. The silk tweeter gives the D5 a different character from other dual-concentric speakers that I've used in the past, and this doubtless contributes to the smooth nature of its high-frequency reproduction.
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Leadfoot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 16:35:08
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Was the increased low end extension on my Focals all in my head? I honestly don't think so. I hope not. If my perception can make that much of a difference in sound, who knows what else my brain is making up. Am I really here? Do I even have a studio? And are we really even having this conversation? Aww man, I think I feel a flashback coming on...
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Rimshot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 17:21:40
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 18:26:49
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Leadfoot Was the increased low end extension on my Focals all in my head? I honestly don't think so. I hope not. If my perception can make that much of a difference in sound, who knows what else my brain is making up. Am I really here? Do I even have a studio? And are we really even having this conversation? Aww man, I think I feel a flashback coming on...
There is no way to know without tightly-controlled objective measurements. Subjective conclusions must always be suspect because yes, your brain has a greater effect on what and how you hear than any other factor. As for whether you're really here, I can only quote the eminent Dr. Sheldon Cooper: "I know we're not in the Matrix because if we were the food would be better."
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Cactus Music
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/07 22:44:43
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Hey Guitar4u, thanks for the "helpful" tag... :) Funny I only seem to get them when I'm not? Well I guess all my stuff is beond burn in period bieng mostly 20 years or older... All my headphones are held together with black duct tape and silicon.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/08 02:50:25
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Break-in, break-in, break-out! Ooops they're not working anymore. I still think it is hype and your hearing is what is breaking in to how they sound.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/09 07:51:08
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Here is an article that explores the issue: http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction First the article acknowledges and documents the changes that occur in a couple example speakers as they "break in". There are, in fact, changes that occur. Then it models the resulting differences in performance that the broken in speakers exhibit when placed in the same enclosure. Note: this plot is of the two response curves; before and after. This explains to me why speaker manufacturers inform us that their speakers do "break in" yet they don't seem concerned about our responding with questions regarding how "break in" causes deviation from the intended designs. I remain curious about the subject, but I tend to think that, for my personal experiences, the effect of pyschoacoustics over powers anything quantifiable in a fact based domain. best regards, mike
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Rimshot
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/09 09:07:56
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This subject is also very interesting to me. I always took for granted a break in period. If the sonic results are more pyschoacoustics, then our brains must memorize the response it "hears" for the individual. I wonder how we can actually trust our monitors if the sound is more influenced by the user than the hardware? Maybe there is some string theory going on hear.
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Re: burning in new headphones
2013/12/09 15:48:08
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I wonder how we can actually trust our monitors if the sound is more influenced by the user than the hardware? And that is the path to madness. (I'll let you know where that path leads, as soon as I find out where it ends myself. In the meantime, I'll try to leave a few breadcrumbs.)
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