matt ritti
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can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
i'm thinking about using x2 producer for live performance as a plug-in
host along w/a VJ app that has about a 35% cpu load.
when i use sonar alone w/alchemy soft-synth and sugarbytes turnado
(similar to stutter edit) i see virtually no activity in the cpu meter(sweet)
so i go to the windows cpu meter and it says 18%(still pretty good)
am i missing something,or am i good to go?
that being said,the whole idea could be lunacy....
thanks m.r.
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/19 22:45:27
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yeah i've done it with an old 2thread amd processor and sonar x1. works well as long as you set it up correctly. i was basically switching midi channels on my controller to control different synths at diff times. i was also triggering parts using matrix. worked fine on the athlon II... works even better on the i7. if you want, pm me with questions about setup and i'd be glad to walk you through what i've done in the past.
cheers.
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matt ritti
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 11:22:18
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Hello ST,
that sounds pretty great.
i just installed sonar on the i7 laptop this a.m.
still got a bunch more hoops to jump thru before
i put it thru the paces w/virtual dj.
i was thinking about getting presonus studio1 as well,
but i'm not liking what i hear about the cpu load....
thank-you(and everybody else)for your considerate
reply.
best m.r.
p.s. the pm heads-up is much appreciated....
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 12:05:23
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you can...just dont know why you would.. there are plenty of standalone VST hosts..minihost, cantabile etc
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matt ritti
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 14:06:59
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it does seem more efficient to use an app specific to
the task...
up until a few days ago,i didn't know there were such things...
there were some hosts on dont crack, but they said xp and i'm
using win8(something i'd been putting off.....)
so thanks,time to start searching...... m.r.
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 14:21:22
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gcolbert
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 19:24:02
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A lot of this answer depends on what plug-ins you are going to use. Some add too much latency to use live.
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joden
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 19:25:51
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slartabartfast
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 19:43:23
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Cantabile is brill for live!!! brill: a European flatfish (Scophthalmus rhombus, family Scophthalmidae) that resembles a turbot. I assume you must be a Brit.
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matt ritti
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 20:20:52
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whoah,
latency and flatfish(robyn hitchcock?)
i tried downloading cantabile from the BP site, but
it somehow froze-up.
anyway, thanks once again.... m.r.
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swamptooth
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 20:22:44
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cantible has limitations though... wav and midi file support only. if you want to play a rex file for example, you need to load it into a synth to play back. matrix view in sonar can load several file types, so it's a bit more flexible there.
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joden
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/20 21:11:32
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Yes VERY true ST @SLART ...yes brill, short for brilliant! I thought you yanks were experts at corrupting the Queens (and Ozzies ;) ) English 
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matt ritti
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/21 08:02:29
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thanks again all,
good point about sonar vs. cantibile.
(valuable heads-up about vernacular as as well)
it's a work in progress and i no doubt will be trying
a whole lot of different methods, etc.
i would like to add that there seems to be much
less static on the CW forums than some other sites
i've been to.
cool.. m.r.
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/21 11:37:33
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I have used Brainspawn's Forte for many years now, and find it to be an excellent VST host for live performance.
They have a demo you can download and try, although it doesn't let you save presets. It is quite powerful, however, and worked flawlessly for me. It is incredibly good at managing CPU, in how it deals with swapping out synths that are not used on a given preset- which means you can build pretty large racks of loaded instruments and survive the CPU load that would otherwise bog you down.
Please note that the current 64-bit release does not let you load 32-bit instruments. I have both the 32 and 64 bit versions installed, and I can always build a rack for tunes that require any of my older 32-bit synths. (not many of those left in my inventory).
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joden
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/21 12:07:36
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Bob, you haven't tried using J-Bridge?
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/21 12:17:38
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I just didn't bother with J-Bridge, because I don't do much anymore with any 32-bit stuff.
Thanks, though.
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joden
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Re:can i use x2 for live performance as a plug-in host?
2013/03/21 13:16:50
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cool, just wondered...if you ever "feel the need" to load up an old fav that is still on 32b give J-Bridge a try..I have found it rock solid, and Cantabile (and I assume Forte as well) simply makes an auto J-Bridged connection whenever a 32b is chosen..
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