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2012/09/08 19:16:41 (permalink)

can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines?

IOW, if I have Sonar 7PE, they can install the upgrade to X2 and all the ProChannel stuff as well on a new machine?
 
I asked this AND some other questions in the X1 forum...sorry if it qualifies for double posting.

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    Alegria
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 11:12:09 (permalink)
    Sure they can. Give Jim (from StudioCat) a call or send him an email here:

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 11:52:44 (permalink)
    Unless Im not understanding the question or there are other circumstances ...Why on earth would you need to pay someone to install software for you?  My 67 y/o grandpa and my 8 y/o nice can do that.  Its  one of the most basic things about using a computer.  If you cant install or upgrade your software,  how can you handle a complex program like Sonar? 
    Again,  if im not understanding the question, my apologies.  Just made me chuckle reading that.
     
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:23:14 (permalink)
    DAW installation is not as simple as running an applications setup. It is not unreasonable for someone want a professional turnkey solution (not to mention the added value of support after the sale). Both ADK and StudioCat will be glad to work with you and handle any presales questions that you may have.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:32:05 (permalink)
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    DAW installation is not as simple as running an applications setup. It is not unreasonable for someone want a professional turnkey solution (not to mention the added value of support after the sale). Both ADK and StudioCat will be glad to work with you and handle any presales questions that you may have.

    Really?  again,  if im not understanding my apologies.  But what's so hard about dowloading the software, clicking on the .exe and then whatever other promts it asks for?  and if there are any updates,  you dowload those and do the same.  Like I said,  my grandpa can do that. 
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:34:57 (permalink)
    I'm asking because I'm guessing I would be giving them access to my Cakewalk account to allow them to download the upgrade and the time involved to download, install and make sure it's all running.

    Yes, I've installed software, but the upgrades are downloads and I may be wrong, you can't download an upgrade unless Cakewalk knows you have something you're already upgrading from.  I'm probably only saving about $200, instead of just buying X2 (as I'm upgrading from 7PE) but that's $200 to use on something else.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:36:43 (permalink)
    IOW, I don't think I can buy the X2 upgrade, without proof that I already own 7PE

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:38:34 (permalink)
    You would not be giving them access to your account, revealing any passwords or anything like that. Contact them, the process may be easier than you think. How does any retailer sell upgrades if they needed access to your CW store account...they don't.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:41:44 (permalink)
    well...I'm kinda asking in an "open" forum here and wondered if anyone had similar experience. 

    Besides emailing/phoning them and asking directly is too easy and logicial.  I'm a musician...not a normal human being.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:43:16 (permalink)
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    the process may be easier than you think.

    extreamly ez.  installing and upgrading software is a lot easier than recording and mixing in Sonar thats for sure.
     
     
     
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:47:58 (permalink)
    obviously you guys don't get my question.  I think installing software is also easier than getting my point across ;-/

    yes, you'd have to be living under a rock if you can't follow screen prompts, etc.

    Some software companies don't let you purchase upgrades, unless you have on their account of owning previous versions.   That's my core question...whether they can purchase (and then install for my convience) and upgrade to X2.

    I can see I should ask them directly anyway at this point.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:48:05 (permalink)
    mandrake: I know you don't understand. The OP wants to contract a professional company to provide a turnkey solution and is willing to pay for it. Guys like ADK and StudioCat do this for a living. If you see no value in it, do not use the service. Why would you criticize someones decision to buy a professionally built DAW? How can it matter to you?

    mixmkr: Yes, by all means contact your DAW builder of choice, they will sort it out for you.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 13:56:45 (permalink)
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    mandrake: I know you don't understand. The OP wants to contract a professional company to provide a turnkey solution and is willing to pay for it. Guys like ADK and StudioCat do this for a living. If you see no value in it, do not use the service. Why would you criticize someones decision to buy a professionally built DAW? How can it matter to you?

    lol.  of course anyone can spend whatever $ they want on whatever they want.  But the OP made it seem like ( or I understood it as such) he needed to pay someone to install software and an update.  Then he mentioned wanting to save $200.  So paying someone to do something so simple doesnt seem that cost effective.  Paying someone to build a computer for you ( an ez thing as well) is not for people that want to save $200.  But if you've got the $, then by all means. 
      
     
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:03:52 (permalink)
    mandrake, you don't have a clue, do you...


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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:08:10 (permalink)
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    mandrake, you don't have a clue, do you...

    hey now,  I apologized from the start if I didnt get your question.  I still dont really,  lol.   However I do know how to install software and updates and build a computer.  So I'm not that clueless lol. 
     
     
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:09:58 (permalink)
    Ok... I OWN 7PE.

    I TRIED to upgrade, doing the cheapest upgrade (from X1) and get this message:

    An item in your cart requires further validation:
    * SONAR X2 Producer Upgrade from SONAR X1 Producer Expanded and Production Suite

    Please contact customer service to validate your............

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    Therefore, someone other than me, MAY have difficulty upgrading my 7PE version...



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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:11:40 (permalink)
    Your posts are making a lot of assumptions. How can you determine what is cost effective for someone else? I do not like to work on my car. It's not hard, I just don't want to do it. I am willing to pay to have it done but I still don't mind saving a buck or two. Is there anything wrong with that?
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:11:50 (permalink)
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     That's my core question...whether they can purchase (and then install for my convience) and upgrade to X2.



    ok   I get it.  I had a studio I worked at many years ago buy a computer from a DAW builder (not one of these guys)  and they did install any software I asked them to,  provided I gave them the serial numbers. 
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:13:02 (permalink)
    apology accepted...   this just feels like hitting a brick wall with some of the responses you sometimes get in internet forums.  I'll contact the builders, unless they pop in before hand.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:16:06 (permalink)
    mixmkr: You are not eligible for that tier of pricing. If you want a DAW builder to build a new DAW with X2 on it, you should contact them before you try to buy anything directly from CW. If you want to buy X2 yourself (and install it yourself or supply the reg info to the DAW maker), you will have to select the product you want and the price tier appropriate to your current version of SONAR.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:17:12 (permalink)
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    Your posts are making a lot of assumptions. How can you determine what is cost effective for someone else? I do not like to work on my car. It's not hard, I just don't want to do it. I am willing to pay to have it done but I still don't mind saving a buck or two. Is there anything wrong with that?


    lol. I'll ask you the same.   How can you determine whats cost effective for the OP by just blindly recomnding a somewhat expensive option?    Nothing wrong with that,  but he is asking for opinions and just going for a DAW builder isnt necessarily the best option.  It can be.  but its a little expensive.  So if thats any consideration,  there are other options and opinions.   Not looking to fight so please relax and enjoy your Sunday.  :)
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 14:23:02 (permalink)
    The only recommendations that I made was contact the vendor to find out specifics. I do not believe that constitutes a suggestion of purchasing anything.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 15:12:20 (permalink)
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    mixmkr: You are not eligible for that tier of pricing. If you want a DAW builder to build a new DAW with X2 on it, you should contact them before you try to buy anything directly from CW. If you want to buy X2 yourself (and install it yourself or supply the reg info to the DAW maker), you will have to select the product you want and the price tier appropriate to your current version of SONAR.

    I know that...it was an example.....
     
    if a thread can turn into a train wreck.... 

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 15:24:05 (permalink)
    The reason I suggest contact the vendor directly is CW has stopped selling X1 but the retailers are still selling X1 and you might be able to get the "buy X1 get X2 free deal".
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 17:01:00 (permalink)
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    IOW, if I have Sonar 7PE, they can install the upgrade to X2 and all the ProChannel stuff as well on a new machine?
     
    I asked this AND some other questions in the X1 forum...sorry if it qualifies for double posting.
    Yes.
     
    You just pay the price for the upgrade from 7PE to X2.
     
    They can put it on with your reg no you'll then get 30 days to authorize it to your account.
     
    There is no difference between an upgrade version and a full version as far as I know aside from the price you pay so I would imagine all you'd need to supply is the serial number from your purchase which you can then use to authorise your installation on your new machine when it arrives.
     
    They will deal with this kind of thing all the time just drop them a line they will give you the full low-down on how to proceed.
     
    @Mandrake I'm sure Mixmkr knows how to install software by now, I think he just wanted to know if he could have it pre-installed on a new build without having to pay full retail when he qualifies for the upgrade path.
     
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 17:47:12 (permalink)
    I may be wrong, but I gather the person has an apparently non qualified version to upgrade to X2 and wanted to know if a builder could use their license to upgrade his system.  If this assumption is correct, the answer would be no.  The builder would need your "qualified" product serial number to install X2 "upgrade version".

    I don't know about the X2 "upgrade version", but I started with Sonar V7 and have "upgraded" to every version since.  I built a new PC and wanted to just install the latest "upgrade version" that I had.  But it wouldn't install as it had to see the older version already installed on the PC before it would install.  I had to reinstall the older version, with the Serial Number and Registration Code, then the newer upgrade version installed OK.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 21:16:08 (permalink)
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    I don't know about the X2 "upgrade version", but I started with Sonar V7 and have "upgraded" to every version since.  I built a new PC and wanted to just install the latest "upgrade version" that I had.  But it wouldn't install as it had to see the older version already installed on the PC before it would install.  I had to reinstall the older version, with the Serial Number and Registration Code, then the newer upgrade version installed OK.
    First off...thx to Jonbouy for understanding my question.
     
    Now...the above is what I was afraid of, however the versions would install "side by side"   Not a show stopper, but I'm sure a commercial builder would know all what needs to be done.  Firebird's was the kind of response I was looking for too...  thx guys.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 21:34:55 (permalink)
    Sorry I did not understand your original post. FWIW, I recently bought a new PC and installed my X1 upgrade only. No previous version required. No previous information from a previous version was necessary except for my MP3 license which came on my ProAudio 9 disk (preSONAR) to unlock the MP3 encoder. I have never heard of a requirement to install a previous version. Each version of SONAR whether an upgrade or first purchase is a complete copy of the software not dependent on anything from a previous version. I started prior to SONAR and purchased every version of SONAR, all of which were upgrades. All versions can safely site side by side if you wish but it is not necessary.
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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 21:35:11 (permalink)
    The only  Sonar version I can recall that you haven't been able to do a clean install of is the 8.5 download version which required v8 to be in place.  Everything else you can install from scratch.
     
    I already stated you'd likely have to supply your registration but you wont need to authorize it until you take delivery of your machine.
     
    Hardware vendors do this all the time just check before you order your machine what the guys require and how much they charge for the service and you'll be good to go.  You will certainly be licensed to have X2 installed once you've purchased the upgrade, you wont have to start out all over.

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    Re:can the commercial builders do software upgrades on new machines? 2012/09/09 21:42:00 (permalink)
    Really you needed 8.x for 8.5? I might have forgotten that but I am looking at a 4 DVD set of 8.5 disks. While it has been years since I installed it and probably had 8.x on the machine, it seems like there are enough disks for a clean install without 8.x.
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