g_randybrown
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can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
Just recently bought it and wondering if and how this is possible...or maybe how to go about making them?
Thanks very much,
Randy
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 17:21:02
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Hi Randy,
If you're referring to arp patterns, it isn't currently possible to export them. However, you can create your own MIDI files using SONAR, and import them into Z3TA+ 2. In Z2, open the arp pattern popup menu (click on the little right arrow next to 'Pattern' in the arp section). Then choose 'Load MIDI File...'.
Thanks,
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 17:29:07
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 17:45:16
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There kind of / sort of is a way to alter the arp. If you do a "bounce to clip" I'm pretty sure it creates the actual notes as opposed to the one or two notes you may have held live. Once those clips are created, you can edit them ;) OR you can save them as MIDI files to be reimported as BEN mentioned above after you edit them. I haven't tried this lately, but I seem to remember it all worked.
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 18:08:36
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ba_midi
There kind of / sort of is a way to alter the arp. If you do a "bounce to clip" I'm pretty sure it creates the actual notes as opposed to the one or two notes you may have held live. Once those clips are created, you can edit them ;) OR you can save them as MIDI files to be reimported as BEN mentioned above after you edit them. I haven't tried this lately, but I seem to remember it all worked.
It would be nice if you can use the Ui in the arp section to delete some notes/ move em around.., Im gonna give that a try and see if I can bounce the arp patterns down to midi notes , then reload them into Z3ta 2, Im also thinking that we can use Sonars Arp and then bounce a pattern made in there and then load it up in Z3ta 2..seems like that could be fun..
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 18:33:58
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That doesn't sound bad at all...it's what I have to do with Real Guitar anyway.
Thanks very much,
Randy
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 18:51:38
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seems like that could be fun.. indeed
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/17 19:12:42
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John,
Yeah - you can bounce down a Sonar Arp easily.
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 13:58:57
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ba_midi
There kind of / sort of is a way to alter the arp. If you do a "bounce to clip" I'm pretty sure it creates the actual notes as opposed to the one or two notes you may have held live. Once those clips are created, you can edit them ;) OR you can save them as MIDI files to be reimported as BEN mentioned above after you edit them. I haven't tried this lately, but I seem to remember it all worked.
Hey Billy, I finally got around to trying this and I seem to be stuck. I created a one bar note in the PRV and then went to that clip in TV. I right clicked that and selected bounce to clip but I don't see anything happening. Perhaps I should explain specifically what I'm trying to do: the "Alpha Centauri" sequence is very cool but I only want one bar of it so that I can change the notes every bar. Thanks very much, Randy
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 14:25:34
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IIRC, and i pursued this a while ago with Z3ta 1.5, you cannot extract the midi data from a Z3ta arp like you can the Sonar midi arp block.. it is the most vexing thing about an otherwise very useful VST..
ba_midi
John,
Yeah - you can bounce down a Sonar Arp easily.
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 15:13:11
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IIRC, and i pursued this a while ago with Z3ta 1.5, you cannot extract the midi data from a Z3ta arp like you can the Sonar midi arp block.. it is the most vexing thing about an otherwise very useful VST.. Oh man really? So it can't be done?
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 15:48:00
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On further observation one can see the midi pattern in the PRV looking UI...it just seems there would be a way to export and/or alter it.
Anyway, that said is there a way to tell what patch/instrument Alpha Centauri is using? I suppose I can at least create my own but what a PITA.
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 15:52:34
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Well hell, now I can't even get X1c to work. I hit play and get a few ms of squelch and then the audio engine stops (even when I'm no where close to the midi notes). EDIT: turning Z3ta off and back on again resolved that issue...starting to have doubts about this thing actually being useful.
post edited by g_randybrown - 2011/08/18 15:57:39
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 16:06:13
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No, there is no easy way..
you can apply the arp to a simple tone excluding effects, run it at slow tempo you can bounce the audio to a clip.. then send it to V-Vocal and extract the arp pattern from there... or use your ear if you quick enough.
not easy..
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 16:12:14
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I think "not easy" is an understatement my friend.
I think I can create my own but that patch used...do you know how to tell what it is (the fake harp sound) and if it's even in Z3ta +2?
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 17:43:19
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Well hell, now I can't even get X1c to work. I hit play and get a few ms of squelch and then the audio engine stops (even when I'm no where close to the midi notes).
EDIT: turning Z3ta off and back on again resolved that issue...starting to have doubts about this thing actually being useful.
FWIW, Z2 has a few nasty bugs in there. I'm sure there'll be some update or updates ;) It's our way of life LOL
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/18 18:00:38
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I hope it's sooner than later, I guess I just won't use it for now.
Something else I noticed (at least with the Alpha Centauri sequence) is it doesn't even work with the tempo of the project (the measures/beats don't line up with the grid in PRV).
Thanks Billy,
Randy
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/19 09:12:52
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@g_randybrown.. This below post is what i did with Z1.5. You did point out that you can seem an image of the pattern in the arp window.. if you set your monitor to a lower resolution or find some way to zoom in you can start to (almost) pick out the notes.. in the case of alpha centauri i was able to get reasonably close in 10mins with the piano/ears/eyes. The sync of the arp is confusing.. you will note that in the instructions EVERY arp pattern is in fact only one measure long.. so the sync setting is what expands this to a >1 measure in real time.. so you will need to play with the settings... not a great approach but it is what it is.. (ie any pattern more than one measure long will not playback correctly unless you diddle with the sync settings..) all the sounds originate in the Z2.. you can reverse engineer that patch it or modify it and save it... Hopefully Cakewalk will expand the arpeggiator in the future.. without midi out it is difficult at best to integrate this within a track. cheers
Mystic38
No, there is no easy way..
you can apply the arp to a simple tone excluding effects, run it at slow tempo you can bounce the audio to a clip.. then send it to V-Vocal and extract the arp pattern from there... or use your ear if you quick enough.
not easy..
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/19 09:17:55
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@g_randybrown..
This below post is what i did with Z1.5.
You did point out that you can seem an image of the pattern in the arp window.. if you set your monitor to a lower resolution or find some way to zoom in you can start to (almost) pick out the notes.. in the case of alpha centauri i was able to get reasonably close in 10mins with the piano/ears/eyes.
The sync of the arp is confusing.. you will note that in the instructions EVERY arp pattern is in fact only one measure long.. so the sync setting is what expands this to a >1 measure in real time.. so you will need to play with the settings... not a great approach but it is what it is.. (ie any pattern more than one measure long will not playback correctly unless you diddle with the sync settings..)
all the sounds originate in the Z2.. you can reverse engineer that patch it or modify it and save it...
Hopefully Cakewalk will expand the arpeggiator in the future.. without midi out it is difficult at best to integrate this within a track.
cheers
Mystic38
No, there is no easy way..
you can apply the arp to a simple tone excluding effects, run it at slow tempo you can bounce the audio to a clip.. then send it to V-Vocal and extract the arp pattern from there... or use your ear if you quick enough.
not easy..
Very helpful post Mystic (especially changing resolution and zooming to see the pattern), thanks very much!
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/19 10:11:54
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The obvious and partial confirmed bugs are a PITA.
But this can ( and hopefully soon will be ) fixed, since Z3TA 2 is an amazing
piece of tool.
What bothers me more is the fact that there are some things that aren´t well
designed or implemented.
Arp Midi Out and further Arp editing inside Z3TA2 is a feature that is a must be.
For an update after this time from version 1 its a bit to little.
And this words are meant constructive, since this beast has the potenial for an killer synth,
but this has to be solved for more creative functionality.
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/19 11:27:02
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Arp Midi Out and further Arp editing inside Z3TA2 is a feature that is a must be. That would be way cool...I'm new to this sort of stuff but I'm hooked now!
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Re:can we alter sequences in Z3ta + 2?
2011/08/20 06:06:20
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g_randybrown
Arp Midi Out and further Arp editing inside Z3TA2 is a feature that is a must be.
That would be way cool...I'm new to this sort of stuff but I'm hooked now!
Fine. When you take a look at VSTs from a producer sight and from a creative point you often can wonder why obvious features are plain not there. Z3TA 2 is from its GUI Design in the Arp Section forcing strongly to be creative, but if its just for optical polish its annoying. When i would be in a production team for a synth, i would research the market, and see how things are solved at other VST´s and then refine it . First step well done: It inspires me to do things. Second step: The Tool doesnt allow me to use this ideas in further context. ( Maybe a bit overdraw in this example, but thats how i often feel. ) Take a look at Spectrasonics Groove Look, and you will see what great feature they implemented - and you start wonder: " How obvious - why dont we get more of this stuff and creative funtionality in VSTs...?" And to say it clear: I like limitations, cause they force you to think out of the box and can produce different results than endless possibilities.
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