chrisharbin


Ok, I'm stumped again.

Go up to the area just above where you are to "devices"

chrisharbin


EDIT, could you go to the track, select where it says "none" and select a stereo input?

sharpdion23

rbowser


Sharpdion - In your new picture, I see you have Playback Timing Master assigned to "mic in L"--that's mono.  You need to assign that to your interface's stereo input.

By the way, pardon me for the confusing screen shot I showed earlier.  I was moving too fast, taking a break from a project - that's not the master, obviously, I did a screen shot of my sound card's faders in the console.  Ignore that.

But go to Playback Timing Master and choose the selection that looks like it'll be stereo--not this "mic in L" that you have.

Randy B.

Sorry I don't understand what your saying because my PTM doesn't say mic in L.
Are you by any chance looking at my RTM?

chrisharbin


Everything you are getting is "L"

That is the problem. Did you already try unchecking the "show mono outputs"? If so, do you get options for stereo on the PTM and RTM?

rbowser

sharpdion23

rbowser


Sharpdion - In your new picture, I see you have Playback Timing Master assigned to "mic in L"--that's mono.  You need to assign that to your interface's stereo input.

By the way, pardon me for the confusing screen shot I showed earlier.  I was moving too fast, taking a break from a project - that's not the master, obviously, I did a screen shot of my sound card's faders in the console.  Ignore that.

But go to Playback Timing Master and choose the selection that looks like it'll be stereo--not this "mic in L" that you have.

Randy B.

Sorry I don't understand what your saying because my PTM doesn't say mic in L.
Are you by any chance looking at my RTM?

In your picture of the interface dialogue, you have Record Timing master set to "MicIn 1 Left"--That should be to your interface's stereo ins.  Look at the drop down and choose a likely candidate.



RB

rbowser

sharpdion23


I really don't know what happened but I just tried to pan again right now and it worked!
Though I still had the same settings as always....weird

Hopefully it doesn't happen again!
 
and if anyone remembers in sonar 8.5, when you press the letter C on the keyboard it brings up a tool that will split clips.
How do I make that happen in X1?

Hmmmm.  You didn't change your Record Timing Master to the "3 and 4" choice?  I don't know why they're all labeled Left, but the 3 and 4 indicates a second stereo pair.

RB

rbowser

sharpdion23

rbowser

sharpdion23


I really don't know what happened but I just tried to pan again right now and it worked!
Though I still had the same settings as always....weird

Hopefully it doesn't happen again!

and if anyone remembers in sonar 8.5, when you press the letter C on the keyboard it brings up a tool that will split clips.
How do I make that happen in X1?

Hmmmm.  You didn't change your Record Timing Master to the "3 and 4" choice?  I don't know why they're all labeled Left, but the 3 and 4 indicates a second stereo pair.

RB

If it starts again I'll try those settings, but for now i'll leave them as it is, as they worked fine before.

and if anyone remembers in sonar 8.5, when you press the letter C on the keyboard it brings up a tool that will split clips.
How do I make that happen in X1?

I understand the pain, Sharpdion - It's a drag when something's not working the way we know it should.  What I don't get is how you ever record anything but a mono signal, because that's all you have for the recording master, and that should be stereo.  You said earlier that you never made panning work in 8.5 either - I feel you consistently have wrong settings, and this one in the audio dialogue would be the start.

RB

rbowser

sharpdion23


Ok so I tried the 3 &4 you were saying for my PTM and so what now? I don't see much difference.
What should I chose for my input when recording? (See picture in post #43) I always use the one in red

And when you do your own recording does it show two wave forms or one?

Hi - Time for one more reply before I make dinner.  I get a bit confused because I have an interface with just one stereo pair.  I guess yours are labeled differently because you have 4 ins and outs?-- But I looked at the image in post 43 again - You have a mono channel selected there.  As you said in another post, the third choice down is stereo.  That should be your setting so you can record stereo or mono.

When I record stereo - there are two wave forms.  If I've chosen just one side of my stereo pair, then I get a mono track with one wave form.  See?

Gotta go--Best of luck with it all.

RB

rbowser

sharpdion23

rbowser

sharpdion23


Ok so I tried the 3 &4 you were saying for my PTM and so what now? I don't see much difference.
What should I chose for my input when recording? (See picture in post #43) I always use the one in red

And when you do your own recording does it show two wave forms or one?

Hi - Time for one more reply before I make dinner.  I get a bit confused because I have an interface with just one stereo pair.  I guess yours are labeled differently because you have 4 ins and outs?-- But I looked at the image in post 43 again - You have a mono channel selected there.  As you said in another post, the third choice down is stereo.  That should be your setting so you can record stereo or mono.

When I record stereo - there are two wave forms.  If I've chosen just one side of my stereo pair, then I get a mono track with one wave form.  See?

Gotta go--Best of luck with it all.

RB

So what is the use of recording mono then? What is the difference?

Can you please show me a screenshot of one of your projects?
I just want to get an idea of what you do...:)

Hello again, Sharpdion - Now between dinner and watching a movie with my wife, here's a screen shot.  I don't know if it'll help, but what you see is in Sonar 8.5 because I'm still using that for serious work.  X1 is still an experiment for me.  But it would look basically the same in X1 - (just more drab--hehe, dig at X1's boring graphics).

Top track is a vocal.  Recorded in mono since a microphone is a mono sound source.  The second track is a soft synth piano recorded in stereo, because it has stereo samples.  You can see the difference between the left and right channels.  It's spread out, and that's just the way the samples were recorded.  If I reduced that to mono it would come from one tight, discrete spot in the stereo field, not sounding as cool.



My sound card's audio settings have the stereo pairs permanently chosen as the ins and outs.  When I go to record a vocal or other mono source, I choose the Left side, one mono channel of the available stereo pair.  If would record something from life in stereo, I'd need two microphones, and I'd choose the stereo option for inputs in the track header. 

The difference is that mono is simply that--Mono, meaning One--one channel.  Nothing in real life sounds like that, but a mono track can sound fine in a recording with a stereo reverb, and panned to where we want it in the stereo field.  A stereo recording picks up the dimensions that sound has in real life more accurately, because each side, L and R, is analogous to our two ears, hearing slightly different things, depending on where we are in the room, how close the walls are to each ear.

So you want your stereo options always available.  When you know you're dealing with a mono source, then record it as a monophonic track, choosing just one side (usually the left) of your stereo interface.

Mono tracks can be panned anywhere you want in a stereo mix.  Stereo tracks theoretically already have the sound placed where you want them in the stereo field.  They don't respond well to panning because a confusion of acoustics happens - that's a simplistic way of putting it anyway.

Most of what we do in Sonar can be done with mono tracks, but we have to have stereo available on our masters for mixing, so we can add true stereo reverb, and we can place all those one-track mono sounds around the stereophonic panorama.  If our master is mono--it can't do anything with all that stereo info.

Now - off to the movies with me.  Hope this helped.

Randy B.

rbowser


Ha--checking emails one more time before turning the computer off.  I see you're still hanging in there.  Glad what I wrote earlier was of some help.

How do you know when something should be either stereo or mono.  Well if you're recording it live, you'll obviously know for sure.  If it's a vocal, that's one mono signal.  If you're recording a dry guitar, that's mono.  If you're setting up two mikes to catch the stereo sound of a source in a real environment, that's stereo.

Dealing with synths, you have to decide.  Many modern synths/samplers, like Dim Pro have so many stereo effects layered in with the sound.  May as well tweak the sound in the synth the way you want, and record the stereo signal.  But if it's a simple, natural sound, many of those kinds of samples are mono.  You can tell by just listening really.  I use GPO a lot and most of those samples are mono.  But some are stereo, like the lead Oboe is stereo, so it's better to pan the instrument as needed in Aria and then record it as a stereo track.  And once you've set up a stereo instrument the way you want, you leave the track centered so it plays back exactly as you recorded it.

And so forth.  Gotta crash.  Just wrap your head around the concepts - mono - stereo.  And then remember that you always have the choice in Sonar if a track is mono or stereo.  If you recorded a mono signal as stereo, and don't like where you've placed the sound, fine, just use the Mono Interleave in X1's Inspector - that forces the stereo track to play as mono so you can pan it fully the way you would a mono signal.

Lots to say I guess.  Just wrap your head around it. 

Computer off now.  See you at the Forum.

Randy B.