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2013/02/23 17:33:09 (permalink)

changing volume of an individual audio-clip

is there a good / easy way to change the volume of an individual audio clip in Sonar 7 ?
I have not found it
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/23 17:38:28 (permalink)
    FunkLoop

    is there a good / easy way to change the volume of an individual audio clip in Sonar 7 ?
    Create a volume clip envelope.  Slide it up or down to adjust volume.

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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/23 18:12:18 (permalink)
    thanks
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/23 18:53:50 (permalink)
    As far as I know, there is no such thing as volume envelopes for clips in Sonar.
    There are gain envelopes which can be used to lower the volume but they work a little bit differently than volume envelopes.

    just a little nitpicky trivia.. 



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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/23 19:08:47 (permalink)
    timidi

    As far as I know, there is no such thing as volume envelopes for clips in Sonar.
    There are gain envelopes which can be used to lower the volume but they work a little bit differently than volume envelopes.
    Where does a clip's Gain envelope come in the chain, i.e. is it before or after clip effects?
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 02:06:21 (permalink)
    "Gain" envelopes control the input level so they come before the rest of the signal path.

    "Volume" envelopes control the "Fader" which is the output of that track, so they come last or after any effects.

    They are both accessed by right-clicking the Clip and selecting "Envelopes".

    You can also double click the Fader value and set it to the value number of your choice.


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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 03:39:34 (permalink)
    [Sorry.  Tried to edit a typo in the previous post and somehow ended up with a new message]
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 07:11:59 (permalink)
    when you right-click on a clip you would expect to see a parameter to control the volume (something like a multiplier), however it is not there
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 07:15:45 (permalink)
    The Volume Fader can be found in the Inspector, to the left of your screen, or in Console View.

    In Track View it is in the Controller Pane as a slider.
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 10:08:03 (permalink)
    When you use the term " Clip" I assume this is a short chunk of audio within a "track" right??. So a "track" made up of a bunch of "clips" will be handled differently than a complete "track" that is one long file. 

    To adjust the volume of a track is of course pretty obvious  unless your really ne to DAW software.  
    You can also automate this both in real time or by inserting NODES ( right click) 
    If your talking about one little clip being to loud or to quiet you can just add the NODES to that little clip. SOnar does not include a wave editor but if you have one you can also use the Tools menu to open the clip in say Wave LAb or Audacity and change the volume there. Sonar has a audio volume plug but it will take a mono track and make it stereo..:( 
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 10:25:27 (permalink)
    it is about individual clips of course

    the gate envelope does exactly what I want but I found it a tat awkward, especially because the audio-clips overlap
    post edited by FunkLoop - 2013/02/25 02:14:44
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 11:03:59 (permalink)
    Volume automation has been the way to do this for as long as automation has existed. It's actually quite convenient. And believe me, I am just as lazy and impatient as you.

    If I have a track with lots of short clips, the first thing I do is insert a volume envelope on the track. Then I manually insert automation nodes in front of each clip and adjust each one to balance the clip levels. If a clip is too quiet to bring it up sufficiently this way, I use Process -> Audio -> Gain to bring it up into the same ballpark as the other clips.

    Yes, it's time-consuming. Everything you do for a mix is time-consuming if you're doing it well.


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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 11:11:56 (permalink)
    @ bitflipper
    Process -> Audio -> Gain is the best way to go, looked at it before but it looked to complicated but now I understand it it is fine
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 13:32:40 (permalink)
    Process > Audio > Gain is of course, a destructive process, so you should only be doing this is situations like Dave has explained, i.e. a clip is too quiet when compared to other clips.

    Volume envelopes are however, non-destructive and you're free to adjust them all the way though the mixing process.

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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 19:46:01 (permalink)
    everything has hoops to jump through. I find clip gain the easiest way to deal with volume changes for clips within a track and simply ignore any affects it has on any compressors. (I can't think of anything else that would be affected.) 

    If you use the volume envelope and nodes, then you have to deal with offset mode if you want to raise or lower the track volume. which, I guess, is a way to do it, I just never got used to it. 

    But yes, to the OP, clip gain is the way to go if you're not anal.



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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 20:21:40 (permalink)
    Is there a way to use the "Gain" process where it does not create a stereo clip from the original Mono? I have looked over and over and see no way to toggle it. Even though it matters not as the sound will remain unchanged, it is a bit weird that the default is to stereo when ( for me) a stereo track is a rare event. I would not be overly concerned about applying gain as a destructive process... It really does no harm unless you pushed it to close or past 0. 
    Because your working blind with Sonars gain process you are sometimes left in the dark as if to this has happened.    
     The problem here as I see it, is Sonar lacks the tools to analyze the clip,  report the overall and/or peak Db level, and apply the amount of gain as a Db factor that you can safely set to keep it from going over the top and distorting.. A hidden over is possible because of this. Thus the need to tool copy into wave lab to do this task right. We all have our one feature request that seems to never happen and that is mine. A real wave editor. 

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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 20:55:13 (permalink)
    >Is there a way to use the "Gain" process where it does not create a stereo clip from the original Mono?

    Not sure. I have stereo and mono clips in the same track and they retain the original format after processing.
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 20:57:23 (permalink)
    To OP: Unless you're trying to boost the volume, you can also use the fade IN and OUT nodes at the ends of each clip.
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/24 21:59:58 (permalink)
    Is there a way to use the "Gain" process where it does not create a stereo clip from the original Mono?



    Yes.
    I don't recall the particulars. 
    I'm pretty sure that is dictated by the interleave button. (or a menu choice).



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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/25 02:29:57 (permalink)
    must admit, it is all there, thanks for all your input

    what it is all about: 
    I am experimenting using Sonar as a drum-sampler. I have individual drum-samples (not full loops but individual samples for each kind of sound / hit) and I manage the samples form the arrange view. However I have not found out a clever way to deal with the "velocity".

    that was also were my previous post, change playback speed of a clip , came from.
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/25 14:07:56 (permalink)
    Ok to bad you didn't say that earlier. :Load the clips into Session drummer and you'll be rockin. Your doing it the hard way. 

    Session Drummer is a sample player, Sonar is a recorder. Using a sample player makes a lot more sense right? 

    Take your clips and copy them to the Session Drummer folder where the Flac and SFX files are. On XP this is the location.

     C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins\Session Drummer 3\Contents\Kits 

    You could make your own folder so as to not mix things up--   13- Funkys loops 

    Open session drummer and browse each sound to assign to each part of the kit. I did this with my own samples of my accoustic drum kit. It's spooky to hear your own drum kit played by a drum machine. 

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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/25 16:25:26 (permalink)
    thank you, but I am just experimenting, I want to see how it works this way
    it is indeed the hard way I must admit
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    Re:changing volume of an individual audio-clip 2013/02/25 19:37:34 (permalink)

    It's spooky to hear your own drum kit played by a drum machine.

     
    But then, that's exactly what it's all about!
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