demo song mix advice?

i have this track that i am working on
"https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/bsom-black-sheep-of-mars-2"
guitars are 100% pan lift & right.
everything else is centered.
the thing is that the mix sounds like crap to me! like a tin can being kick around:( any help would be great:)
 
update 12/29/13
this is version 4
https://soundcloud.com/er...ack-sheep-of-mars-demo
update 12/31/13
this is version 4.5
https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/bsom-black-sheep-of-mars

Hi Eric,
 
You need 25 posts before you can post a link (that's to discourage spammers), but here's the link;
 
https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/bsom-black-sheep-of-mars-demo
 
Heavy track! I like the interplay between guitars & drums, very tightly played.

mods you can delete this post if you need to! i am posting a new one think you:)

Eric, I think think the drums need to come up in the mix. A powerful song needs a powerful foundation. That snare should be more in your face, and the kick needs some definition. Try a semi narrow boost in the 4 to 5k region. Lastly, what effects do you have on your guitars? I'm detecting some phase issues. Try mixing them without any effects first, and see how powerful you can get the mix. Then slowly add a little. You'll likely find that the guitars sound better with less effects on them. Just some ideas. :) Oh, and how about some vocals?

Leadfoot
Eric, I think think the drums need to come up in the mix. A powerful song needs a powerful foundation. That snare should be more in your face, and the kick needs some definition. Try a semi narrow boost in the 4 to 5k region. Lastly, what effects do you have on your guitars? I'm detecting some phase issues. Try mixing them without any effects first, and see how powerful you can get the mix. Then slowly add a little. You'll likely find that the guitars sound better with less effects on them. Just some ideas. :) Oh, and how about some vocals?

BSOM Black Sheep Of Mars Demo V1.5 is on my repost its a little better i will re-up 2.0 with your advice as soon as i can! 

https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/bsom-black-sheep-of-mars-1
 
i raised the snare and kick ! and deleted the reverb. i hope it sounds better?

i am using boomstick bass maybe that's what it is?
 
http://bornemark.se/bb/index.htm

here is just the guitars!
https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/g1

That is very cool... yes , this is a better mix... 
 
I don't know how you do that... that's wild man...

thank you guys:) there's better help here then anywhere else!

 I noticed a real improvement on the second recording. I think the guitars are too mono, at least here on my end I'm not hearing the spacial effect sometimes associated in this genre. 
 
The effect is usually had by tracking at least several times and treating each track a little differently. Sometime players will actually record multiple tracks instead of copying them and treating them. I don't typically play this kind of music so I'm sure others could give you a better idea of what they do to achieve the best tracks. You could use something like shed spread and I think waves makes a decent plug or two specifically for this kind of guitar. I would suggest playing with the recipe until you get what you want which might involve taking at least two tracks of the guitar in phase and adjusting panning and eq to get a good spread in the stereo field.It is well known that the best produced heavy metal bands use tons of multiple tracks, maybe with some slight detuning. I'm not even really scratching the surface here. It is a real art to get a good powerful sound recorded using multiple tracks. The recipe usually includes miked guitar amps going in using good equipment.This can be combined with something like guitar rig to get to where you want to be. I would probably make the guitar a little more edgy in the mid range and then fill it out with bass. It sounded rather hollow to me.
 
One thing I have found out when I experimented with metal type music was that many of the pickups that are claimed to be best for metal are way too muddy coming direct from the guitar with no treatment. Since I sometimes play with a Variax I can try different pickup configurations. Guess what comes across the best for me when using distortion? Either an acoustic type output or a single coil pickup believe it or not. That way you keep the definition of the tone. At least this has been my own personal experience.
 
 

i think i fixed it:) https://soundcloud.com/eric-routt/bsom-black-sheep-of-mars-2 i clicked interleave: stereo, and phase: phase inverted in the guitar track in sonars console. and recorded the guitars again! so i think that helped?

Much better Eric! The guitars are much clearer. Good job man!

the lyrics are about political faith based lies. and how thy are used to get votes!
 
Song title:Chimera's Faith
1245, Are the number where the lyrics will lay in the track!
starts at 0.16
1-----------------------------------------------
Slay your gods to the beast
Chimera!
Make there faith there defeat
Chimera!
2-----------------------------------------------
God is a hole buried deep within your empty soul.
3-----------------------------------------------
The devil is smiling on his thrown of pure evil.
Angles fall off there clouds before gods prying eyes.
Hell fire awaits you under the truth of madness.
Only madness will let you survive!
4------------------------------------------------
He's in the TV can you see me love his voice from within. but i know.
Hes just a f--king sin!
Plaster your name on our fore heads, to remember even after we are dead.
Coin on our eye for your lies!
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Chimera!
Summon the beast!!
Chimera!
Prepare the feast!
Chimera!
Summon the beast!
Chimera!
Prepare the feast!
Chimera!
 
lyrics will change further in to the song. That's as far as i got :(  not sure if the lyrics makes it hard to sing with the track? what do you guys think?
 
 

A buddy of mine plays similar music. I offered to remix some of his old band stuff.... more of a polish the tracks sorta thing, since the original tracks do not exist after all these years.... what a chore that was.  So I was listening to lots of this style...and I'll be the first to admit, as a country writer, I know very little about it. I did what I could with the poorly recorded and overloaded tracks.
 
If I can't hum the melody.......I have a hard time with a song.  As Band19 commented on the lyrics..... rather dark stuff.
 
I heard the song linked in the OP and V3. It sounds like it's coming along. As I said I don't listen to this style, but I would like to hear it with the vox.