distorted bass signal?

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2012/06/08 10:54:04 (permalink)

distorted bass signal?

I just purchased a ZOOM B3.  I'm having trouble with the "playback" of the "recorded" track sounding a bit distorted.  It doesn't sound distorted while I'm recording.  When I record, the levels are indicating -6 to -3.  I noticed I needed to turn down the volume on the bass itself to prevent some clipping. (maybe this has something to do with the active pickups)?  I'm recording from the bass into the ZOOM into a Tascam US-122 interface.
 
The sound of the zoom sounds great when I play it through headphones, but it seems to lose something when I record.  Any thoughts or suggestions?? Maybe I need to upgrade my interface to take full advantage of the ZOOM??
 
Thanks - Jeff 

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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 12:42:10 (permalink)
    I'm not familiar with B3, but could it be the problem is due to the fact that B3 itself is an audio interface, and you're routing it through another audio interface? Shouldn't you plug B3 directly to computer? How are you monitoring - through the B3 or Tascam directly or through Sonar?

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 13:04:45 (permalink)
    I had considered that there may be a conflict running the B3 into the US-122.  But I was hoping I wouldn't have to alter my set-up. (maybe I do need to)  My monitors are connected to my Tascam.
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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 14:09:27 (permalink)
    Something in your gain stage need to be adjusted. So i would just start form the beginning of your gain stage (signal chain) and make sure at each stage there is no clipping or over saturation of an effect.

    If your bass guitar has active pickups, change the battery. Its probably not it, since it sounds good going in, but who knows..
    Definitely trace your gain stage, as it is something int here that is doing this

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 14:15:04 (permalink)
    Thanks CJ. I always appreciate your input to my questions.  So, do you see any problem running the 1/4 outs from the B3 into the Tascam?
     

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 14:24:29 (permalink)
    No, i dont, but you have to look at the whole picture

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 14:53:01 (permalink)
    Maybe your speakers can't handle the low frequencies. You're not monitoring through computer speakers, are you?

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:03:45 (permalink)
    you would benifit by using the zoom as an insert effect,so you should be recording dry,no effect,if you are recording wet and then playing back through the zoom again you are doubling the effects load and it will sound like mud,make sure you have proper I/O set up.

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:11:40 (permalink)
    I will have to look into this "insert effect" approach.  I don't believe I have ever done that.
    Does that mean I would not plug my bass directly into the ZOOM?
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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:23:02 (permalink)
    I see there are proper ASIO drivers and support for 64 bit systems so you should try using the Zoom as an interface.Why not. You can use 2 ASIO interfaces , just not at the same time. I have even live swapped between 2 interfaces with Sonar running without a problem. Just a warning and the permission to use the new device. This way you can rule out any weirdness from daisy chaining the Tascam. Generally if you don't hear distortion at the interface monitoring, then none should be recorded. I didn't read the manual but I would assume the Zoom has active PU inputs or a switch to pad the signal. Read the manual and see what is said about using active PU.

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:27:40 (permalink)
    There is a setting on the ZOOM for switching between active and passive pickups. (they do address this in the manual)
     
    If I use the ZOOM as an interface to record, can I still use the Tascam as the playback for my monitors.  I'm not great with the configuration part of interfaces. I get confused easily.
     

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:41:54 (permalink)
    Oh , OK that's a bother all right. Like I said only 1 device can have it's drivers running. You'd have to switch your monitor cables to the Zoom. Or just swap out to record the bass and use headphones, then swap back when your working on other parts. It's as easy as installing the drivers for the Zoom. Unplug the USB cable from the Tascam and swap it over to the Zoom. Sonar will add the Zoom drivers to it's list. The inactive device will be greyed out. When you swap Sonar will ask if you want to use the new device and all it's in/outs change automatically. Not sure if this is true with all brands, But I used a Tascam us1641 and an M-Audio Fast track pro without a problem. ( long story as why I was doing this )

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 15:55:53 (permalink)
    Thank you for explaining that further for me.  I now understand it better.
    Jeff

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 16:03:05 (permalink)
    Your welcome, I'd give it a try as you really won't be messing up your Tascam set up. You don't have to uninstall the Tascam's drivers. Sonar seems to store all info about any ASIO device it has seen and it stays on the Audio driver and input lists. It is just greyed out if that device is not connected. The only hitch I can think of is if your on board sound card try's to take over when you unplug the USB cable. I have my on board cards disabled.

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 16:14:13 (permalink)
    I've been considering upgrading my Tascam US-122.  Do you know if the recording quality of the 1641 would be a significant difference?

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/08 23:37:53 (permalink)
    Don't think they use anything different as far as components go. The us1641 is discontinued and replaced with the us 1800. Only reason to go that route is to have more inputs. You want better quality you go with RME. Who knows, the Zoom might be better, hard to say. Did you try it yet?

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    Re:distorted bass signal? 2012/06/09 09:01:45 (permalink)
    going to try the zoom as an interface this weekend.  thanks again for the help

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