elijahlucian
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does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sonar?
and by electronic i simply mean like this synth-pop era type drums... None of the kits in dimension or superior are useable for dance/pop so you end up having to use the clumsy browser to try and preview and import samples... I just end up making a placeholder beat and then making drums in another program. kind of pisses me off tbh.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 20:51:43
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um... use what works for you. You can't blame Sonar for this.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 20:53:48
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just wanted to see if there were others in my shoes. and if there are others that have found workarounds.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 20:55:43
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Have you tried using the step sequencer for creating your drum tracks? Sonar has all the same tools other programs have you just have to learn to use them.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 20:58:16
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yeah i use the ss quite a bit. maybe i should make a video showing how its super easy in FL to audition drum samples and go from there. when it comes to everything else, literally, sonar wins, but drum sequencing is the biggest pain ever.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:00:10
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Well what exactly is causing you issues? You mention the browser but it works as intended. If it is the file structure messing you up there are ways to set it up to your tastes however when and if I start delving into more electronic style music I might use Ableton to get things set up then dump it into Sonar to polish things. I've heard it's a winning combination even if they are supposedly "competing" companies.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:02:08
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gah! why can't one program do it all! haha. I've actually tried using fl studio as a VST in sonar but it keeps crashing, and nobody on either side (IL or CW) helped me with it. Here I'll make a quick video to demonstrate. maybe its just that the browser needs a tweak... for a start anyways.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:03:08
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You could build kits for for SD3 or DimPro from just about any source. It's not that hard to do.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:04:34
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FL, Ableton... whatevs. Doesn't FL Studio work as a plug in anyway? I might be wrong but even if I am just create your beats or whatever then toss it into Sonar. I always found FL to be weird but I'm a rock dinosaur so I'm more into recording live stuff as opposed to heavy sampling.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:06:20
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FL is crashing as a plug? Is your computer powerful enough to handle both programs? If it is I'd get a hold of support to see if there are any known compatibility issues.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:07:52
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Workaround for this one? Yeah.. Practice... I agree with Beepster.. "can't blame Sonar for this."
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:15:48
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I think you should describe exactly what you are trying to do and then where you are running into problems. Linear Phase seems to have a good handle on stuff like this as do a lot of other sample heavy Sonar users. Details and I think you'll get some good advice to remedy your issues. Should be easy, bro.... with a little elbow grease and learning at the onset that is.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:16:53
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beepster. my computer is a beast :P no worries there. I have talked to both companies and they are not being helpful at all. they say "it's their fault" (talking about other company) I find creating the beats in FL and then importing into sonar a huge pain. also there is no creative flow there. also you can record audio in fl studio just the same as you can in sonar. but there is one huge difference. the file type you get out of fl. if i record a mono 24 bit source, fl studio automatically records a 32-bit stereo file. so it wastes over double the space that should be using. I had a FL jam session last week with a rapper, we ended up recording 1gb of audio in ONE NIGHT! holy crap eh? I'm actually an alpha tester for IL and i've discussed this at length with the lead developer and he says there is nothing he can do about it. (tho in a more douche-y way) linear. I have been using sonar for about 3 years now... video is rendering
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:22:13
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:32:13
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I hate to say it but I think you might just want to bail on FL. Check out Ableton. That seems to be where it's at these days. But again I am a rock dinosaur so I've never actually used the two in conjunction. I will say though anytime I've tried to use any version of FL I've found it completely confusing and unusable. With my limited experience with the Step Sequencer and PRV within Sonar I've found they are pretty darned decent with the right plugs and even with the included content to a certain extent. To me it sounds like you need to just get a new workflow going and you'll be able to soar again. Cheers.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:35:02
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yeah. tried ableton. it is the most backwards program in the world in my opinion. hahaha. maybe ill just do a feature request to CW
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:44:46
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Okay I just watched your vid. Yes indeed you need to save a preset to route your instance of SD3 That will save a ton of time. Check out the Sonar University Master Class Drum Production tutorials and it will show you that process and how to save it. Seth is using an older version of Sonar in those vids though so if you can't find something he's doing look at the bottom of the video and the text will tell you where to find it. Apparently those presets are actually already included in X1 but it's worthwhile to learn. The only other thing I see holding you up is your audition of single hits. Setting up auditions for samples and loops and stuff is explained in the tutorials that came with X1 (click F1 or look in your Cakewalk folder in the start menu for the help topics). I however have only used it for loops so maybe it's different for one shots but I doubt it. Check it out. At that point with those two issues resolved you could probably just bail on FL completely and use SD3. I may have missed another hold up in your work flow but those two issues seemed to be your major complaints and they are easily resolved. You may also want to take a look at some of the books available on Sonar like Sonar X1 power for more tricks and insights. Cheers.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 21:48:53
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 22:37:46
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I would also add Tremor which is an analogue-modelled drum synthesis plugin also by Fxpansion. Now is also a good time to pick up Maschine or its little brother the Mikro. A new expansion pack was just released which is geared towards analog sounds. http://www.native-instrum...0e55716656b6f642bcbe5d
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 22:56:17
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elijahlucian and by electronic i simply mean like this synth-pop era type drums... None of the kits in dimension or superior are useable for dance/pop so you end up having to use the clumsy browser to try and preview and import samples... I just end up making a placeholder beat and then making drums in another program. kind of pisses me off tbh. Use any VSTi sampler. Many support 128 notes therefore you can assign 128 different samples, one to each key of the (virtual) keyboard, and save as a patch/program. Open the PRV and click on any key and you instantly hear the sample; in fact many sampler VSTi's have a virtual keyboard for auditioning (eg. Dropzone). Now you have 128 drum sounds in one kit. Doesn't get much easier than that and if you know the sampler it can done very quickly, like in under a minute, and once it's done can be recalled in seconds. It may take longer if you're compiling favorite samples from multiple directories but it's a one time job and the browser/audition features in many VSTi's are superior to Media Browser. It's easy to set up multiple patches with 128 samples or more in each one in a single sampler like Kontakt - you could have 128 samples per MIDI channel (not including layers) - multiply by 16 MIDI channels and you have a minimum of 2,048 samples a click or two away. Some samplers, like Battery, will Import an entire directory of samples and automatically place a sample on each note (key). I could give you lots of tips on how to expand on this but this is a good place to start. Dimension and Superior are simply sampler/sample players after all. Dropzone would give you an example, open it up and load one of the drum programs. I wouldn't use Dropzone in the long run as it is limited to the SFZ format for editing. I should add that a sampler will allow both single hits and loops and will usually have a variety of methods of manipulatiing loops. There are also some great VSTi's, like Reaktor, Z3ta etc. that produce modern drum sounds themselves.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:12:44
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scook You could build kits for for SD3 or DimPro from just about any source. It's not that hard to do. It's unneccessarily time-consuming in those VSTi's and all subsequent editing has to be done in an SFZ (text-based) file. Good idea but wrong plugins in my opinion.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:17:02
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:21:44
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i watched your video as well,your wasting your time trying to use both. sonar does the same thing as fl does. set up your kit in session drummer.open the gui just like you had it opened in fl. just drop the samples in the kit. session drummer 3 is drag and drop just like fl is. you can also audition your clips in the browser the same way,up/down keys audition material as well. you can set it to repeat the audion or one shot it. then simply open your step sequencer and do the same thing your doing in fl.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:24:37
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@SToons... Hi there. I forget the actual name of the screen vid software that most of these guys use but there are a bunch of threads pertaining to this. In fact Brandon of Cakewalk fame mentioned what he they use in one of the Webinar threads. FastBikerBoy can also help there I think. And OP did pretty much show what he's doing in FL in that vid. The only thing that was missing was how he sends it to Sonar but he said that's causing a crash. Cheers.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:25:59
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the up down keys don't audition the sound, that is actually one of the biggest problems. can you show me it working for you? bing is a free program that you can record your screen with
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:26:53
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SToons elijahlucian video explaining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6YYgd5awgA&feature=youtu.be Try uploading a video of how you do it in FL so we can see how you prefer to do it. What program can someone use for recording screen vids? I use http://camstudio.org/ You can set to record just a 'window' or a screen (if you use multi monitor) or just a region of the screen. I did run into some problem (hangs..) but after setting up it correctly (sorry.. can't remember now) it works fine.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:31:45
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chuckebaby i watched your video as well,your wasting your time trying to use both. sonar does the same thing as fl does. set up your kit in session drummer.open the gui just like you had it opened in fl. just drop the samples in the kit. session drummer 3 is drag and drop just like fl is. you can also audition your clips in the browser the same way,up/down keys audition material as well. you can set it to repeat the audion or one shot it. then simply open your step sequencer and do the same thing your doing in fl. For what it's worth. Session Drummer actually comes with a bunch of modern/dance/pop/techno kits as well I wouldn't use SD3 because, if you're going to invest the time, pick something that allows more than 16 samples and allows subsequent editing of the samples. In any other decent sampler you have access to ADSR envelopes, filters, resonance, cutoff, fx, looping options etc. etc. Not trying to disagree here, just suggesting that any other sample player besides an SFZ-based player (SD2/3, Dropzone, Dimension etc) has so much more flexibility that there is no comparison.
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elijahlucian
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:42:16
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any of you guys ever used battery?
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:49:18
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Many do and from what I hear it is quite good. Haven't had a chance to check it out myself though.
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Re:does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sona
2012/08/10 23:53:38
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elijahlucian video explaining http://www.youtube.com/wa...A&feature=youtu.be There is a nook version, its only $27.. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/sonar-x1-power-scott-r-garrigus/1111762650?ean=9781435458505 I read this book today... Scott goes in depth.. organizing, previewing, arranging menus, and getting your workflow the way you want it, so that it suits your needs... The windows nook application is totally free.. I downloaded it and had installed in like 30 seconds.. and depending on the size of your computer screen, and your ability to read.. the 500 page book is really a lot shorter than it seems.. I skipped a little.. surround sound, detailed info on cakewalk instruments and effect.. but I basically did the book in 1 measly day. So I believe that, "the answers to your questions are very well laid out in that book."
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