eq and panning - frequency seperation ?

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2011/10/03 17:19:27 (permalink)

eq and panning - frequency seperation ?

A good trick I've found recently for EQ seperation is to copy parts,pan them opposite or however wide you want the part,and then EQ it slighty differant either side.I think its more or less based on the same principle as when you mic a guitar with two mics ? You get the highs in one speaker and the lows in the other ? I dunno,but its a cool technique to try out if you haven't done so yet :)
 

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    Re:eq and panning - frequency seperation ? 2011/10/04 03:51:32 (permalink)
    I've tried it (with midi), but I'm hearing a hint of phase and it sounds as if the sound is moving across the speakers. One moment, they're at either speaker and the next, they're centered.

    I used the Orchestral Strings patch and moved all the strings to either side in each track (Instrument Details dialog box) and panned them to each extreme. Of course, upon duplication, I didn't change the track's (or individual notes' channels.

    EDIT: That was why. Now, I no longer hear the phase. That is pretty neat and the wide panning does give a wider stereo feel. I might actually that with the track I'm working long - provided I bounce the Strings track first. My tracks are mostly "centered" or not to far apart from being centered.

    I'll try it with audio tracks later. (The EQ, I mean)


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    Re:eq and panning - frequency seperation ? 2011/10/04 09:51:43 (permalink)
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    I've tried it (with midi), but I'm hearing a hint of phase and it sounds as if the sound is moving across the speakers. One moment, they're at either speaker and the next, they're centered.

    I used the Orchestral Strings patch and moved all the strings to either side in each track (Instrument Details dialog box) and panned them to each extreme. Of course, upon duplication, I didn't change the track's (or individual notes' channels.

    EDIT: That was why. Now, I no longer hear the phase. That is pretty neat and the wide panning does give a wider stereo feel. I might actually that with the track I'm working long - provided I bounce the Strings track first. My tracks are mostly "centered" or not to far apart from being centered.

    I'll try it with audio tracks later. (The EQ, I mean)
    Yep try it with audio tracks and EQ them :)  With strings I like to EQ so that the high parts are in the centre ( so I use  a high pass filter on all the centre parts) with the lows and  mids to the sides (using low pass filters) Sounds great on guitars too ( copy part,pan, seperate highs and lows in each speaker) :)
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    Re:eq and panning - frequency seperation ? 2011/10/04 13:01:45 (permalink)
    Very common and effective technique. Here's a little twist on it I posted on another forum, maybe you can get some mileage out of it.  
       
      

    (Guess I'm not qualified to post pics. Here's a link to the visual http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g385/Myuzishin/Misc/Pan-1.jpg?t=1316189895 )
     
    Guitar2 and Guitar3 are just a power chord, but they're different takes, with the tone slightly modified (different pickup). I have Guitar2 panned at 62R, and guitar3 panned 62L, and I've lowered the level a couple dBs on Guitar3, so that the chord alludes to being panned more to the right and fattenning the chord up a bit in the field.
     
    I've used the fade bar in each because I want the chord to to run for just a few measures. Notice that I start the fade in Guitar2 quite a bit before Guitar3. As this plays, Guitar2's volume will come down, while Guitar3's volume stays at its level. This gives the illusion of a pan towards the left, and the tone seems to alter a bit as it does.
     
    This is a simple way to add a faux-pan to an instrument without having to insert an automation envelope into the track.
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    Re:eq and panning - frequency seperation ? 2011/10/05 04:29:17 (permalink)
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    Very common and effective technique. Here's a little twist on it I posted on another forum, maybe you can get some mileage out of it.  
       
      

    (Guess I'm not qualified to post pics. Here's a link to the visual http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g385/Myuzishin/Misc/Pan-1.jpg?t=1316189895 )
     
    Guitar2 and Guitar3 are just a power chord, but they're different takes, with the tone slightly modified (different pickup). I have Guitar2 panned at 62R, and guitar3 panned 62L, and I've lowered the level a couple dBs on Guitar3, so that the chord alludes to being panned more to the right and fattenning the chord up a bit in the field.
     
    I've used the fade bar in each because I want the chord to to run for just a few measures. Notice that I start the fade in Guitar2 quite a bit before Guitar3. As this plays, Guitar2's volume will come down, while Guitar3's volume stays at its level. This gives the illusion of a pan towards the left, and the tone seems to alter a bit as it does.
     
    This is a simple way to add a faux-pan to an instrument without having to insert an automation envelope into the track.

    Very cool !! I'll try this out,thanks !!!!
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