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2011/09/13 11:35:25 (permalink)

exporting audio

When I export audio I seem to be getting a bit of unwelcome reverb (room) or something like it - particularly noticeable on drums with no reverb in them originally.  What could be causing this or is there a better way of transferring my projects?
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    Re:exporting audio 2011/09/13 13:45:58 (permalink)
    Sonar exports exactly what you tell it to export, so can you explain in detail how you export your drums and if its midi (soft synths) that your using, please check the synths properties/settings.


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    Re:exporting audio 2011/09/13 15:17:04 (permalink)
    Sometimes reverb and ambiance are exaggerated in the final mix due to limiting on the master bus. Studios are also typically deader than other listening spaces, so what sounds like a tasteful level of ambiance in the studio may sound muddy by comparison elsewhere. You may need to mix a little drier in order to achieve the right amount of reverberation in the final product.

    But as for reverb magically appearing just due to the method of exporting, that won't happen, as CJ said.


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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/19 21:55:07 (permalink)
    I am starting a new project in SONAR 5, performing my new Kurzweil PC3L8.  When I paly the metronome, I get an unwelcome reverb.  What's happening, and how can I fix it?
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/20 09:31:54 (permalink)
    Input echo?
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/20 10:29:10 (permalink)
    Bristol,
     
    Good news.  The problem is in the MIDI interface.  I use Midisport 2x2.  Here is what I did:
    There is a little silver button on the front:  press In for "USB/Merge", leave Out for "Thru".  The sequencer only works when the silver button is pressed In.  If I start my playback with the silver button pressed In, I get this unwelcome reverb.  However, if I start the playback with the silver button Out and then press it In two seconds into the playback, there is no reverb.
     
    I can't tell whether it is the Midiman box or the USB cable to the PC.
     
    Now that I have located the problem (somewhat), my sequencer suddenly can't see the MIDI Outputs.
     
    This suggests I should replace the MIDI Interface.  Any suggestions what I should use?  I like 2x2, because I plan to get a second synthesizer.
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/20 10:41:16 (permalink)
    I think you need to do three things:
     
    1. Set Local Control OFF on the Kurzweil so that it only responds to MIDI played or echoed back to it from SONAR.
    2. Leave the Merge/Thru button in the Merge position.
    3. Enable Input Echo on the MIDI track in SONAR, either by clicking it or relying on the Always Echo Current MIDI Track option in Preferences (enabled by default).
     
    If that doesn't get it, please clarify: Is it only the metronome click that's echoing, or only what you play on the keyboard or both? And are you using the MIDI or Audio metronome?
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/20 11:09:38 (permalink)
    Brun,
     
    Thank you.  It's the entire drum kit that reverbs.
     
    1.  Per your instruction 1:  I went into Master Mode, selected "XMIT", and changed the "Destination" field from "USBMIDI+MIDI+LOCAL" to "USBMIDI+MIDI".
    Per your instruction 2:  I have the MIDI Interface (Midisport 2x2) in "USB/Merge" position (pushed In).
    Per your instruction 3:  What does Input Echo do?
     
    2.  I now have a new problem:  I am getting a "No MIDI Outputs Selected" message;  the sequencer (SONAR 5) is not seeing the MIDI Interface (Midiman Sport 2x2).  This was working fine until yesterday, when I decided I HAD to solve the reverb problem. What should I do?
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/20 14:11:55 (permalink)
    That brings up some more questions:
     
    1. Do you have the keyboard connected to by both USB to the PC and MIDI DIN cables to the M-Audio? You should choose one or the other.
    2. If SONAR can't see the M-Audio's MIDI ports, you might need to restart your PC with the interface powered up.
    3. When you say "reverb" do you really mean the drums sounds have ambience on them, or do you mean you're getting a slapback delay by MIDI messages being doubled?
    4. We're talking about drum sounds from your Kurzweil, not a soft synth in SONAR, correct?
     
    I've been making the assumption that you're trying to use your Kurzweil as a sound source, but maybe you should clarify exactly what you're tying to do.
     
    Input echo means incoming MIDI messages (or audio in the case of an audio) are "echoed" (i.e. passed on) to the track's output. This is how you would normally incorporate a keyboard synth's audio into your setup - by having a MIDI track that receives and echos MIDI back to the keyboard synth with an audio track receiving and echoing the synth's audio output to your monitors. You turn Local OFF on the keyboard so that you don't get doubling of the MIDI messages to the keyboards' synth module while performing, and so you can use the keyboard as a controller to play a soft synth without also having the keyboard's synth generating audio by local control.
     
     
     
     

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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/21 14:22:08 (permalink)
    Brundlefly,
     
    The keyboard is connected to an M-Audio Midisport 2x2 via DIN 9-pin cables, which is then connected by USB to the PC.
     
    As I mentioned earlier, I removed "LOCAL" from the Destination;  but that won't work for me, because I am playing the Metronome while recording, and I need "LOCAL" so I can hear myself play.  Therefore, I am using "MIDI+LOCAL".
     
    The only thing that has worked so far to eliminate reverb on the metronome while recording is to start recording with the silver button on the Midisport  "Out" ("MIDI Thru" mode) , and then after one or two seconds, press it "In" ("USB/Merge" mode);  not sure why it works, but it does.
     
    I still have a big problem playing back my recording:  unless I set the Kurzweil on channel 10 (the channel I use for the drum kit/metronome) during playback, I get the unwelcome reverb on the entire drum kit.
     
    Any thoughts?
     
    Thank you.
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/21 14:26:54 (permalink)
    I am only using a Kurzweil PC3LE8 for sound-generation.
     
    I had a PC88Mx and I replaced it with this one.  But to my surprise, the PC88Mx has some sounds that are not available on the newer model;  so I intend to get another PC88Mx.  Then I will work with two keyboards.
     
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    Re:exporting audio 2015/08/21 14:51:38 (permalink)
    Okay, I broke down and looked at the MIDIsport User Guide, and found that the USB/Merge switch should be In when used as a PC interface; Out is for standalone use. So you should start by leaving it In, and getting everything else configured to work with it in that state.
     
    The Kurzweil should not be involved in click generation. Set SONAR to use it's internal Audio metronome, and you'll hear that form the MIDI SPort
     
    And if you set up a MIDI track to echo incoming MIDI back to the Kurzweil as I suggested, you should be able to disable Local Control.
     
    If that doesn't get it, I'll have to look at the Kurzweil manual, too. 
     
    Then the question is what are you using for an audio interface, and how are you monitoring the audio output of the Kurzweil?
     
     
     
     

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