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2011/07/11 21:22:14 (permalink)

exporting help

when i master a track i always export to wave file, then open the wave into a new project and then add comp and liminter.  the thing is i always export using the default settings, -stereo
                                                                       -sample rate-44100
                                                                       -bit depth -32
                                                                       -dithering- trianglar
                                                                        and the 64 bit engine is always unchecked.

am i doing anything wrong considering i have to export my project twice, one to mix and one to master. (I know i should route every thing to a master buss in the mix but i still havent completly figured thar out yet)

Also does the dither shape matter- i make mostly heavy bass dance music so should i dither with a square shape.

im just not sure that if i have to export a track twice, do i need to mix down the sample rate diferently on one of them, do i need to dither on just one of them and should i check the 64 bit engine option when exporting, im pretty sure im running window 7 64bit

Any help would be much appreciated thanks
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    Chappel
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/11 21:35:28 (permalink)
    What is your project sample rate?
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/11 22:38:54 (permalink)
    Chappel


    What is your project sample rate?


    44100, thanks 4 the reply
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/11 23:01:00 (permalink)
    If your project sample rate is 44.1 kHz and you're exporting to 44.1 kHz, I don't think you need to use dither.
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/11 23:14:56 (permalink)
    Chappel


    If your project sample rate is 44.1 kHz and you're exporting to 44.1 kHz, I don't think you need to use dither.


    thanks, also is 44100 the best setting for the final mix?im a fine at leaving it at 44100?
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/12 04:51:55 (permalink)
    If your final destination for your music is a cd then yes, 44,100 is the only rate that will work.

    Also, there is nothing to lose by engaging the 64 bit engine when you export and everything to gain - it just increases Sonar's mathematical precision when doing its calculations - it has nothing do with file size so switch it on.

    And as Chappel rightly says, don't dither at this stage.

    Only dither when you're converting from 24 bit down to 16 bit for final cd export.


    So,     -sample rate-44100: yes, if this is what you recorded at
               -bit depth 32: yes 
               -dithering- trianglar : NO set it to "none"
               -and the 64 bit engine is always unchecked: No - check it

    Now go and read up about busses, because that will make your efforts more consistent and makes it easier to trace signals and track problems down as well as providing you with the ability to massage your songs when they're nearly finished.

    e.g. vocals up 1db, drums down 1.5 db, compressing the entire drum sub-mix etc.

    These are only a few examples - the use of busses is as flexible as your imagination


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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/12 11:35:13 (permalink)
    Chappel, sample rate is not involved with dither, Only bit depth.

    Also to answer the question is 44.1 the best for final mix?
    This really depends on what the music is being played back on. If the tracks are going to stay in you laptop and played live at shows, then you could use 48 or 96 because a computer will play those formats. It's only if a CD is is involved that you need to down size to 44.1 and 16 bit.
    I leave my wave files at 24 Bit 48Hz. because I never burn CDS anymore. I therefore never dither.



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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/12 13:03:51 (permalink)
    Cactus Music


    Chappel, sample rate is not involved with dither, Only bit depth.




    Ah, OK. MY bad.
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/12 18:49:09 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone, all the info is very helpfull. i mainly keep my tracks to wave file and add them to facebook and soundcloud ..exc, i rarly use mp3, only 4 certain sites and players. im gong to try and have my wave tracks at 96.. 

    As 4 learning how to use busses properly- im running on a 2.3 single core processor for now so i always have to freeze my tracks when im not useing them, hopfully that will not get in the way of using a master buss.. but i dont think it will..just need to read up on it more..thanks for all the help, much appreciated
    post edited by bassmusic82 - 2011/07/12 21:03:27
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/13 05:36:55 (permalink)
    im gong to try and have my wave tracks at 96..


    Question - why? Many top professionals maintain they can't hear a difference but one thing's for sure - 96Khz files are DOUBLE the size of 48KHz files






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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/13 06:43:12 (permalink)
    What audio interface are you using? Not all audio interfaces can record and play at 96 kHz at the same time. And I echo Bristol_Jonesey's sentiment about 96 kHz files. I have read there are some advantages to RECORDING at higher sample rates but having a finished product at 96 kHz, especially if you're putting it on the Internet, may have no advantage and the disadvantage of having huge file sizes.
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    Re:exporting help 2011/07/13 11:06:42 (permalink)
    I think when you upload to some of those web sites they will automatically render the file into a low res MP3 anyhow.

    The common practice is to keep all "Masters" in a hi res format.  24/48 is a happy medium.  96 is overkill unless your market is people with $10,000 stereo equipment. I would shoot you if you posted a song at that resolution. It would take 1 hour to download at my house.
    Then as you need other formats you render them to the required quality.
    Example , need a CD, render to 16/44.1
    Need to post a demo on the net, render to 192-320 kbps MP3.

    Within my album folders I keep sub folders:
    CWP - All the Sonar files for the album
    Masters - 24/48 or 44.1 Wave file
    Web MP3 - I use 192 kbps for the web.
    Performance Beds - Just the Bass/ Drums tracks for live performance
    Documents- lyrics and track sheets
    I might have a CD file for the 16/ 44.1 if I burn a CD,  it would also contain the Nero burn record and a label print file for my Printer.

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