computershateme
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Ok so I bought music creator 5 and am trying to record a cover song so I went into the studio instruments and wrote the parts of the drums, bass, and piano using the tab part so that I only have to record the guitars. I went back and started the guitar recording but when it is played back it is so off it sounds horrible even when I play the guitar part perfect. This I believe is called a latency issue. I have been trying to understand what to do to fix this by talking with tech support but I don't know if I am missing something or what. My sound card is the basic conextant one that comes with my laptop and I use a behringer audio interface which I know is cheap. I know I have to upgrade one of them but I am not sure. Tech support says my sound card is not good enough so I need to get a new audio interface which to me doesn't make sense. I have tried messing with my drivers and nothing works so can someone please let me know if I need to get a better sound card or a better audio interface.
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I think you may have to set up your audio to prevent the latencies to happen. I have one of the really cheap behringer audio interfaces and I am quite capable of recording with low latency. First of all, I usually use the monitor feature on the behringer, so that the latency shouldn't be an issue anyway. Sometimes, though, I will turn off the monitor on the card and turn on the echo in the track view along with some effects and record that way. Set up your card to use the Behringer, with WDM and set the buffers to 2, adjust the mixing latency to the fastest you can get without dropouts. I'm not quite sure how to do this in MC5 but I believe it is very similar to MC4.
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Tech is correct. The laptop soundcard is NOT going to work well...especially with the soundcenter instruments.
IF...you were just working in the audio world...a few tracks, you could probably do that on the factory card (FC). However, once you venture into the midi world, the FC becomes a liability.
Basically, the synth that renders the audio for the soundcenter instruments does it in the sound card. The FC simply can not handle the massive amount of data in real time. Therefore, you do need a decent after market card/interface to get satisfaction. Check Beagle's site, or look at the signatures of the long term users. What we have works well.
Get a decent soundcard/interface (USB or FIREWIRE) and you will be in "high cotton".... able to record and playback in perfect sync.
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computershateme
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So you are saying if I buy a new usb interface like the cakewalk uag 1 or whatever the 100 dollar unit they sell, then I will be good to go. I don't need to buy the interface AND another sound card? Or I just need to buy a new audio interface and a new audio interface only? Thanks
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Yes, that is correct. the sound card in the lappy will stay, and you can use it to play mp3 and video's..... when you record, you'll set up the external interface as your default recording interface and everything should work OK....
that's how my system works..... I record and playback on the saffire and play music mp3's on the lappy factory card.
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My sound card is the basic conextant one that comes with my laptop and I use a behringer audio interface which I know is cheap.
I'm sorry, do you already have a behringer audio interface? Maybe I misinterpreted, but if you already have one and it's not working, maybe we should try to resolve why it doesn't appear to be working for you?
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computershateme
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That is correct on my laptop there is the built in conextant sound card that came with it. I also have the Behringer UCG102 audio interface that I plug my guitar cable into. I have tried messing with the different drivers and latency's and it either doesn't work good enough or doesn't work at all. So if we can get it to work without me spending another 100 dollars that would be great.
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The Behringer device is a guitar input, but not a full interface. It does have a headphone out so you could use it as one for the guitar. It does have a ASIO driver, how good it is is not clear. If you use it in conjunction with the built in sound card in my mind it is asking for conflict. If you have installed the drivers then all you need to do is to adjust the latency in the drivers applet window.
Does your computer show that there is a behringer mixer window to open in the system tray?
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computershateme
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ok well I used the mme and wdm drivers with both latencys and it doesnt work, when I switch to ASIO it makes both the recording and the playback through the behringer thing but I can not get the headphones to work and I have never been able to so i can not hear what I am playing to when in ASIO mode. so yes there is a behringer thing to choose from in the audio section of mc5.
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Latency is the time it takes for sound to travel thru the system and to your ears, if you have two devices involved it gets greater. Have you slide the latency adjustment to fast? And on the system tray icon open it and make sure that the ASIO panel has the volume sliders up and that nothing is muted on playback.
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computershateme
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well i dont have the latency to fast i have done all the way to the right all the way to the left in the middle half way to the right, etc... nothing works. I am pretty sure that nothing is muted on playback because there is only the master volume for the recording part of my computer there is not a playback/recording thing for the asio
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You should be able to get a setting upon playback that syncs your midi with the audio? - I know in the past using a laptop without an external interface, I had to make some adjustments to the timing to some of my midi signals to get them to synch up due to latencies between the TTS-1 Synth and the onboard Wavetable GM synth. You can try adjusting the timings for each of the Midi Tracks by selecting the ALL tab in the track view. There is a little Watch Icon which can be adjusted +/- in time. Do one midi track relative to your guitar track ( Mute the rest ). Once you've got those two lined up the other midi tracks should get the same value. A good sound interface should eliminate this problem.
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computershateme
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ok well I am going to buy the Cakewalk UA-1G USB Audio Device so just one more time for clarification if I buy this it will solve all my problems correct?
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57Gregy
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That depends on your system, I think.
Can you tell us a little bit about your computer? RAM, speed, operating system.
Just make sure whatever you buy is compatible with your operating system, especially if you're using a 64-bit OS.
Probably Cakewalk/Roland has 64-bit drivers for the things they sell since they want you to be able to use it with the 64-bit version of SONAR 8, for instance. Just research a little so you don't buy something you can't use.
Fortunately, unlike software, hardware can be returned.
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computershateme
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Microsoft Windows XP Version 2002 Service Pack 2
Gateway CX2618
Intel Pentium M processor 1.73GHz
1.99 GB RAM
Conextant AC Soundcard
Cakewalk Music Creator 5
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57Gregy
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The only thing that looks iffy is your processor speed. Recommended for MC 5 is 2 GHz.
I don't know if that is a problem, but if you turn off all unnecessary programs before recording, you can lessen the load on the processor.
Get off the internet and turn off/disable your modem. Turn off any virus scans and pop-up blockers and the firewall. Turn off the Microsoft system sounds. Turn off any power-management schemes that might be running. Turn off the screen saver and wallpaper.
There are some other things you can do to make your computer operate more efficiently.
Looks like you can handle the Cakewalk/Roland interface, though.
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