blues49man
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Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
Hello, I am using a Lexicon Lambda usb interface with Cakewalk Home Studio 7XL. When I record a new audio track, and allow previously recorded tracks to be sent back to the Lambda to be monitored, those previously recorded tracks are recorded onto the new track with the new material. Preciously recorded track outputs are set to "Lambda speakers". The Lambda's monitor mix knob (allows selection of direct to playback) will control this, but when I turn it all the way to direct, I can't hear the previous track(s). Lexicon says monitor mix only controls what you hear in the phones or on the monitors, not what is sent to the computer to be recorded. It's not working that way. I have tried MME, ASIO, WDM, and WASAPI drivers for the Lambda, with the same results. I would send the previously recorded tracks back to the computer's sound card if I could, but Cakewalk doesn't seem to want to do that. I can see and select the sound card speakers as track outputs using all but the ASIO drivers, but no sound results when I tell Cakewalk to use them. The sound card is Realtek high definition integrated audio (yeah, I know, junk). I don't know if the issue is in the Lambda interface, the way I am using HS7XL, or the cheap sound card on my computer - or a combination thereof. I have posted this question on Lexicon's forum as well. Thanks in advance for any suggestions, insights, or feedback anyone may have. I am an old user of Cakewalk products, returning after a long hiatus. HS7XL seems to be a terrific product, but for this one issue.
Thanks, Tom HP Pavilion A1747c; AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 2.40 ghz Vista Home Premium 32-bit, SP2 3gb RAM; 320, 500 gb internal HD Lexicon Lambda usb audio interface Cakewalk Home Studio 7XL
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Chappel
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/07 23:11:32
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Wow, you have a lot going on there and further complicated by using your onboard sound... which you probably don't need to do to get the results you want. The Monitor Mix knob selects whether you hear in headphones, or through the Line Out, either whatever is coming in the Input (direct) or what is coming into the USB connection (Playback) or any blend of the two. The reason for the direct sound is so you can hear what is being recorded without having to listen to it through the software, which may have a lot of latency (delay) in it. If you were recording a vocal and the latency was throwing you off you could disable the input echo on the track you're recording on and mix in the direct sound of your voice as it sounds at the Lexicon input. It might help if you could describe the way you have everything hooked up in detail. http://www.lexiconpro.com..._Manual_18_0350VB_.pdf
post edited by Chappel - 2010/03/07 23:56:10
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/08 02:47:12
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The first thing to do is to disdable the Realtek, you don't need it for anything. Why on earth would you use such crap when you have the Lambda? ASIO (the most recommendable) drivers can only handle one soundcard at a time, so trying to have two cards active easily leads to problems.
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/08 08:13:27
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Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but these guys are right. use ASIO mode and it will only allow you to use the lambda, it won't allow you to use the realtek in that mode. then plug your speakers and/or headphones up to the lambda and use it ONLY.
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blues49man
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/08 21:42:46
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Thanks to all of you for the quick replies! As suggested, I have set HS7XL to use the ASIO driver, which only shows the Lambda. It's the most current Lexicon driver; 2.5.0. Connections: I have an acoustic/electric guitar plugged into the instrument jack on the front of the Lambda; I have a mic plugged into the Mic 2 XLR port on the back. A usb cable goes from the Lambda to the computer, and headphones are plugged into the Lambda's front panel headphone jack. No other connections. Actions: I create a blank project, and add an audio track. Input is set to Left Lambda ASIO In 1. Output is set to Lambda ASIO Out L - which is my only choice besides None. I set Record = On, and record a few bars of guitar. So far, so good. I add a second audio track. Input this time is set to Right Lambda ASIO In 1. Output is set to Lambda ASIO Out L, again my only choice besides None. I set Track 1 to Record = Off, track 2 to Record = On. The Monitor Mix control on the Lambda is set midway between direct and playback. I start recording. I can hear the previously recorded Track 1 guitar and my live Track 2 vocal in the headphones. However, before I start singing, I notice the level indicators on Track 2 moving as the guitar plays. After singing a few bars, I stop recording, mute Track 1, and listen to Track 2. Sure enough, the guitar from Track 1 has been recorded onto track 2 along with my vocals. This is the issue. If I turn the Monitor Mix control all the way to Direct, I can't hear the guitar in the phones, and it does not record onto Track 2. But, obviously, that doesn't help me sync the vocal to the guitar. The Lambda appears to be mixing what comes into it via usb with the live sound being recorded through the mic. This is where I previously tried all the other drivers, the onboard sound junk, etc. trying to get a different result. Sorry for the long post, but I thought the details might help. Thanks in advance for your patience and assistance! Tom.
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Chappel
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/08 21:53:29
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Before we go any further, if you are only seeing the Left channel of your Lexicon Lambda then there is something wrong with your drivers, the way they are installed, or the way Cakewalk is recognizing them. I suggest you reinstall the drivers for your device very carefully before you do anything else. Turn your computer off, disconnect the audio interface, turn on the computer then run the driver installation program. Don't plug in the Lambda until you are prompted to do so. Then I suggest you go into your Sonar Home Studio 7 Audio Options and change the driver mode to WDM/KS and run the wave profiler. If you can post screencaps of what you see in each tab of your audio options it would help a lot to understand your situation. Where are your speakers connected? The line out of the Lambda?
post edited by Chappel - 2010/03/08 22:04:49
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/08 22:55:57
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before doing what Chappel suggests (which I agree with) = download the latest drivers from the lexicon site for your Operating system.
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blues49man
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 21:19:51
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Thanks for the responses, guys! I have done as you both suggested. Shut down the computer, unplugged the Lambda, and booted up. Downloaded the 2.5.0 version (only one there) of Lambda Installer from Lexicon's Web site, and ran it; connecting the Lambda when prompted. Went into HS7XL and changed the drivers to WDM/KS and ran the wave profiler. I have attached screenshots of the four tabs of Audio Options that resulted. (Super post in the sticky section on how to attach the screenshots, I hope I got it right.) Have done nothing else. Speakers are accessed by the Labmda rear Line Out jacks into a stereo receiver's AUX jacks. I disconnected those connections for this troubleshooting exercise to minimize the number of devices & connections in the mix. Again, thanks for all your patience and assistance! Tom.
Thanks, Tom HP Pavilion A1747c; AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 2.40 ghz Vista Home Premium 32-bit, SP2 3gb RAM; 320, 500 gb internal HD Lexicon Lambda usb audio interface Cakewalk Home Studio 7XL
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Chappel
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 21:57:22
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OK, the first thing you should do is to enable ONLY the USB audio device. Disable (uncheck) all Realtek devices. After you do that run your wave profiler again. Then try to do a little recording and see if you have the same problem you did before. Stay in WDM/KS mode for now until all audio problems in WDM mode are resolved.
post edited by Chappel - 2010/03/09 21:59:50
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Beagle
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 21:57:33
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on screen 2 - uncheck all the boxes that have anything to do with the realtek.
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Beagle
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 21:59:44
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great minds! but I don't think you should run the wave profiler again after unchecking the realtek - running it again will probably check those boxes again for you and even if it doesn't, running the wave profiler after unchecking those boxes is uneccessary.
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Chappel
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 22:05:53
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Beagle great minds! but I don't think you should run the wave profiler again after unchecking the realtek - running it again will probably check those boxes again for you and even if it doesn't, running the wave profiler after unchecking those boxes is uneccessary. I disagree. I think that the wave profiler finds a profile that all enabled drivers can support. Disabling the Realtek will allow the wave profiler to find the best settings that the Lambda can support, such as a higher sampling rate and bit depth, Running the wave profiler shouldn't re-enable the realtek drivers. It doesn't when I do it.
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/09 22:35:17
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maybe not, I didn't try it, but running the wave profiler again is not necessary. just uncheck the realteks. there's no benefit to running the wave profiler again.
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blues49man
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/10 20:48:04
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Thanks again, guys, for your help! I tried your suggestions, and... Results: Unchecked the Realtek boxes, hit the Apply button. Now, the only things checked are the USB Audio devices. Tried recording, same results as before. Then ran wave profiler. It only profiled the USB Audio device, Realtek boxes remained unchecked. Tried recording, same result. Input for tracks was Left USB Audio Device and Right USB Audio Device; output for both tracks was USB Audio Device - the only choice. So, at this point, I decided to try something different. I opened Cubase 4 LE, which came with the Lambda. I listened to a Cubase project I recorded earlier with one guitar track and two vocal tracks. There was no bleedover between tracks. So, I recorded a new two track project with Cubase, and the bleedover problem now shows up there. My thoughts at this point are: This setup used to work properly, with Cubase. Now it does not work with either program. Something has obviously changed. Since I reinstalled the Lambda drivers last night, I'm thinking maybe they are not the issue. I have installed a few Windows updates since Cubase worked, but no major ones; no SP's or anything. So I don't think it's Windows, but I'm certainly no Windows expert. That leaves the Lambda hardware itself. Not sure what I can do with that... Some next steps I have thought about are: 1) Setting Windows back to a recovery point when I recorded the "good" Cubase projects. 2) Disabling the Realtek junk in the BIOS to see if that changes anything. 3) Installing the Lambda on a different computer, and try either Cubase or HS7XL. The fact that Cubase now behaves the same way HS7XL does would seem to eliminate HS7XL as having a part in the issue. Since this is a Cakewalk forum, I don't want to clutter it up with non-Cakewalk issues. So maybe I'll go away for a while, and try some things, and let you know where I end up. However, if you have ideas you think might help, and you don't mind extending this thread, I would be happy to hear them. Whatever happens, thank you for all your responses, I really appreciate your ideas, suggestions, etc.
Thanks, Tom HP Pavilion A1747c; AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 2.40 ghz Vista Home Premium 32-bit, SP2 3gb RAM; 320, 500 gb internal HD Lexicon Lambda usb audio interface Cakewalk Home Studio 7XL
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/10 22:21:35
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I'm 99% sure it's not windows or microsoft updates. if it's happening in both cakewalk and cubase, then the problem is with the lambda. you need to look in your lambda software mixer and that should be where the problem is. somewhere in that software routing there is a setting that allows you to route the output of the soundcard back to the inputs (it's called WHAT U HEAR on soundblasters).
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/10 22:37:41
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I'm 99% sure it's not windows or microsoft updates. if it's happening in both cakewalk and cubase, then the problem is with the lambda. I 2nd that statement. Its a property in your sound card Cj
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blues49man
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Re:Previously recorded tracks recording onto new tracks?
2010/03/17 23:25:40
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Guys, thanks again for your help. I emailed Lexicon support several days ago about this issue, and today they answered. They are saying it's a hardware problem with the Lambda. They can repair it for a flat rate of $55, plus shipping both ways. I haven't decided if I will do that or not. I'm thinking I may go in a different direction, perhaps an M-Audio Fast Track Pro or similar unit. Thank you all, and I'll see you down the road.
Thanks, Tom HP Pavilion A1747c; AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 2.40 ghz Vista Home Premium 32-bit, SP2 3gb RAM; 320, 500 gb internal HD Lexicon Lambda usb audio interface Cakewalk Home Studio 7XL
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