Dave Modisette
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VST FX with multi channel outputs
How does a SONAR X1 user enable more than a stereo output if a VST FX plugin has more than 2 (L&R) outputs? I've got 3 stereo pairs and I can't figure out how to route the other two into a channel or a bus.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/18 19:43:04
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2 hours and no answer. I'm concluding that I have run into a SONAR X1 limitation. This might be something that should be addressed assuming that I am right.
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Fog
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/18 21:04:56
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so this plugin shows as what ? a vst instrument ** OR ** an actual fx? whats the plugin also? how do you insert it vis the rack or the bin? if it's in the synth rack , you can press "o" and show the options ? and you can specify more than 1 out.. e.g. I have a drum machine that has mono outs for each single hit. and a joint 1 for all.. maybe TAL's VST setup might give you a hint also, just an idea http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1662193&mpage=1&print=true be a bit more specific and it'll help heaps :) remember it's the weekend , so relax about the time for replies.. I doubt anyone replied to something I asked days ago :)
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Dave Modisette
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/18 21:11:41
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Fog
so this plugin shows as what ? a vst instrument ** OR ** an actual fx? whats the plugin also?
how do you insert it vis the rack or the bin?
if it's in the synth rack , you can press "o" and show the options ? and you can specify more than 1 out.. e.g. I have a drum machine that has mono outs for each single hit. and a joint 1 for all..
maybe TAL's VST setup might give you a hint also, just an idea
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1662193&mpage=1&print=true
be a bit more specific and it'll help heaps :)
remember it's the weekend , so relax about the time for replies.. I doubt anyone replied to something I asked days ago :)
No, it's not a virtual instrument. It's an effect. I guess VST FX wasn't clear enough.
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Fog
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/18 22:36:15
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you can get some that act as an "FX" but are in the shell of an instrument. a vocoder being the one that comes to mind, in certain instruments... that are inserted via the rack *NOT* the fx-bin. So me asking that back is getting specifics and not as dumb as it may come across.
so whats the name of this vst, that might be of help also Dave ?
one of the izotope plugs didn't want to play nice with sonar in the past IRC, so I didn't bother with that.. maybe down to the audio routing.. I'm sure the makers check with the various hosts for compat probs.. it lists sonar as a compat host ?
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Dave Modisette
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 07:50:22
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so whats the name of this vst, that might be of help also Dave ?
Sorry, I can't disclose that at this time. Part of the reason that I'm being so generic with my question. In Reaper 4.0, all you have to do is right click on the FX in the FX chain window and a drop down menu appears and you select "Build multichannel routing for output of selected FX" and the additional track channels are created for you. I imagine multi-output effects are something fairly new and no one at CW has prioitized the need to support them at this time. Or I could be totally wrong and there is a way to solve this problem that I have missed because multi-output FX are also something very new to me. I never thought about using that kind of capability until very recently.
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 08:20:59
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Sounds like your under an NDA Dave .... I'm just tossing this out there for thought.
Maybe the secret is within some of the Surround VST FX and how Sonar works with those.
Surely they have multi outs, but I'm not sure how they are handled / routed.
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 08:32:50
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fwiw, did you try to configure it as a synth in the plugin manager?
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 08:34:34
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Mod Bod
so whats the name of this vst, that might be of help also Dave ? Sorry, I can't disclose that at this time. Part of the reason that I'm being so generic with my question. In Reaper 4.0, all you have to do is right click on the FX in the FX chain window and a drop down menu appears and you select "Build multichannel routing for output of selected FX" and the additional track channels are created for you.
I imagine multi-output effects are something fairly new and no one at CW has prioitized the need to support them at this time.
Or I could be totally wrong and there is a way to solve this problem that I have missed because multi-output FX are also something very new to me. I never thought about using that kind of capability until very recently.
I don't mix surround, but aren't all surround fx based on multi output? Maybe the solution can be found by following that train of thought? best regards, mike
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 09:44:40
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Hi everyone,
In order to avoid rumors about the effect Mod Bod is talking about, here is some information I can disclose about it.
I'm working on an effect which features a single stereo input, a MIDI input and 3 stereo outputs.
It can work as a stereo in / stereo out effect but some features make use of the extra outputs and I would like these options to be available in the context of Sonar X1.
The MIDI input is used to provide a fast and intuitive access to most parameters.
I have tried to set it as an instrument in Sonar X1. In this case, Sonar creates 3 stereo tracks which is a good thing but then I do not find a way to send an audio signal to the FX instanciated as a "soft synth".
Thanks for your help!
All the best,
P.
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 13:28:40
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PFozz have you looked how it is implemented with say TAL's vocoder? for an example.. and other things how to get the input , output.. again same with sonar's own synth that can be used as a vocoder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWdYrxXo0xA maybe it'll give you some good pointers, I dunno. if it's not a commercially released thing yet, then Dave it's tricky for us to help :) , in a sense of there is different approaches you can use to route audio in a VST ... AND how it is linked the the host. Pfozz , I'm guessing doing the "instrument" route maybe more viable for you .. as well lots of "synths" you can select more than use the 2 main channels back out. if you ask someone at cakewalk perhaps ?
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Re:VST FX with multi channel outputs
2012/02/19 13:48:17
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Many thanks, Fog.
I will contact someone at Cakewalk to know more about it.
For information, Dave and I are talking about the same plugin which is something that will be released in the context of eaReckon.
I will be glad to give more information about it later.
In the meanwhile, if I can find a solution for multi-outputs capable effects, I will of course write something about it here.
Thanks again!
P.
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