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2017/07/14 19:47:36 (permalink)

Alchemy questions....

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I've been rebuilding the S/W on my computer after my C drive said "Adieu" a few weeks ago and I received back my computer from Jim Roseberry on Saturday. I'm doing pretty well with it. So far the only real musical victims may have been (the jury is still out on all of these for the time being) Prima and Tonio vocaloids (though I can still use them on my XP machine and import for now), Rayblaster2, Nemesis2, Saurus2, Electra2, and some soundsets for Gladiator2 (I'm waiting on an email from Tone2 containing my keyfiles and/or full programs; they've recently changed their website and it's more difficult for the user to get what they used to from there), and, finally, Alchemy, which seems crippled, but is still working somewhat (not all the soundsets or factory samples have loaded.) So, I've got questions, if anyone here can help:
 
1) Has anyone set-up Alchemy on their PC "post-Apple buy-out"? How did it go? Can you share any tricks/suggestions/rules? I'd appreciate help to sort through my issues, if anyone has any.
 
2) Is Alchemy now out of the range of concern for most on the PC? I noticed that it's not mentioned at all in MusicRadar's list of 50 best VSTs. I get that the list is hardly to be considered "canon", but with a total of 50 synths mentioned, it still counts for something. (And, of course, Alchemy2 is still included with Logic.)
 
In any event, comments would be helpful. If anyone has any ideas on how to make Prima and Tonio work with Vocaloid4, that'd be nice as well.  
 
   

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/14 21:59:18 (permalink)
The Alchemy reinstall generally goes fairly straight forward, IF you downloaded the installers that Camel made available to all their current customers prior to going offline for good.
 
Still like Alchemy, even if it is no longer supported...
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/14 23:40:04 (permalink)
Same here, even on a Mac and even though Logic is readily available. The old Alchemy had wonderful sound banks like Dream Voices and Water. Haven't found those in the Logic Pro version yet.

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/15 00:58:53 (permalink)
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The Alchemy reinstall generally goes fairly straight forward, IF you downloaded the installers that Camel made available to all their current customers prior to going offline for good.
 
Still like Alchemy, even if it is no longer supported...




BTW, thanks to whoever moved this; I wasn't paying attention.
 
Right, but to what folder, Rivers, did you copy them? I did get the last installer.
 
I might just do an uninstall and try from scratch again. Some of the samples copied fine, some not at all. Not sure why....
 
And yes, I enjoyed some of the banks as well. I think "Iceland" was my personal favorite.

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/15 18:11:09 (permalink)
Alchemy is my go to sample player. Being able to set up 8 variations on a patch and morph between them is really nice. As a guitar player I can use an expression pedal and morph between 4 variations while I play. Very cool.

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/15 20:18:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby outland144k 2017/07/16 05:30:38
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The Alchemy reinstall generally goes fairly straight forward, IF you downloaded the installers that Camel made available to all their current customers prior to going offline for good.
 
Still like Alchemy, even if it is no longer supported...




BTW, thanks to whoever moved this; I wasn't paying attention.
 
Right, but to what folder, Rivers, did you copy them? I did get the last installer.
 
I might just do an uninstall and try from scratch again. Some of the samples copied fine, some not at all. Not sure why....
 
And yes, I enjoyed some of the banks as well. I think "Iceland" was my personal favorite.





All my files installed under Camel Audio \ Alchemy, with separate "Libraries", "Presets", "Samples", and "Skins" subfolders. 
I have a master "CamelAudioInstaller.exe" from my account before Camel closed shop, along with individual ".camelsounds" preset/sample installers for each of the libraries.
 
Hope you can get your Alchemy up and running - best of luck!!
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/16 05:30:23 (permalink)
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rivers88
The Alchemy reinstall generally goes fairly straight forward, IF you downloaded the installers that Camel made available to all their current customers prior to going offline for good.
 
Still like Alchemy, even if it is no longer supported...




BTW, thanks to whoever moved this; I wasn't paying attention.
 
Right, but to what folder, Rivers, did you copy them? I did get the last installer.
 
I might just do an uninstall and try from scratch again. Some of the samples copied fine, some not at all. Not sure why....
 
And yes, I enjoyed some of the banks as well. I think "Iceland" was my personal favorite.





All my files installed under Camel Audio \ Alchemy, with separate "Libraries", "Presets", "Samples", and "Skins" subfolders. 
I have a master "CamelAudioInstaller.exe" from my account before Camel closed shop, along with individual ".camelsounds" preset/sample installers for each of the libraries.
 
Hope you can get your Alchemy up and running - best of luck!!




This is helpful. Are your files under:
 
C: Program Data
 
and then Camel Audio\ Alchemy or somewhere else? I've got the master installer as well, but something is getting confused.
 
Any help would be nice. Can you get me your full path?
 
 

“Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy” is attributed to Benjamin Franklin perhaps in error, but the thought remains a worthy sentiment nonetheless.

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/16 19:06:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby outland144k 2017/07/17 02:54:13
I generally try to install all my VST libraries on a separate drive; in this case, D:\Camel Audio\Alchemy.
In addition to the subfolders I mentioned earlier, D:\Camel Audio\Alchemy also contains all the .aky keyfiles, as well as AlchemyLog.txt and MidiMap.txt.
 
I do also have C:\ProgramData\Camel Audio\Alchemy, which I assume was created automatically during the reinstall.
This folder contains AlchemyConfig.txt (which appears to contain several of the same entries and appears to be updated along with AlchemyLog.txt during any session changes) and what appears to be a proprietary Alchemy_Preset_Ratings_And_Tags file.
 
It appears that the LibraryPath referenced in the AlchemyConfig.txt and AlchemyLog.txt is a key entry to get Alchemy to see all the installed libraries.
 
BTW, I found the info below when I was digging around in the libraries - 
Instructions from Camel Audio addressing the reinstallation procedures that were released prior to Camel going offline.
Converted to text so I could post it here. Hope this helps!
 
Randy
 
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Note: If you have any old copies of 'Alchemy-All-Presets.CamelSounds', remove
this file from the desktop or the download path – this file has been known to
occasionally conflict with the installer and is not required since the new
installer uses a separate presets file for each library.
Next, run the installer in offline installation mode.
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For each sound library you should have a Presets and a Samples .CamelSounds
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If you use a custom location for VST plugins (Windows only), or for the
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Click 'Install' next to those libraries you want to install or 'Install All'
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Installing your samples and presets to an alternative location:
You may want to install your Alchemy data to an external location to save space
on your internal hard drive. To do this take the following steps – if you have
already installed and want to subsequently move the data folder to another
location, skip to step 4:
Go to 'Preferences' in the installer.
The Alchemy data path shown, refers to the location to which the 'Alchemy'
folder contain the presets and samples will be installed. By default, this is:
Mac: /Library/Application Support/Camel Audio/
Win: C:\ProgramData\Camel Audio\
You can change this location prior to or after installation.
Mac: /Library/Application Support/Camel Audio/
Win: C:\ProgramData\Camel Audio\
If you have already installed your Alchemy data to your internal hard drive,
you can change the Alchemy Data Path and select 'Apply'.
- A progress bar like the one below will show the 'Alchemy' folder being
moved to its new location by the installer.
 
To transfer your PC installation across to Mac or vice versa:
If you change operating system and want your Alchemy installation copied across,
do the following:
Copy your 'Alchemy' data folder from one machine to the other. By default
these are located here:
Mac: /Library/Application Support/Camel Audio
Win: C:\ProgramData\Camel Audio\
(or Start Menu -> All Programs -> Camel Audio -> Alchemy -> Alchemy Data)
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shown in the screenshot at the top of the page. This will download a file
called AlchemyWin-1-55-0.exe or AlchemyMac-1-55-0.pkg.
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location for data files.
It's very important to place the data folder where you want it and then direct
the plugin installer to the new data folder location. Moving the data folder
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/17 03:01:32 (permalink)
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I generally try to install all my VST libraries on a separate drive; in this case, D:\Camel Audio\Alchemy.
In addition to the subfolders I mentioned earlier, D:\Camel Audio\Alchemy also contains all the .aky keyfiles, as well as AlchemyLog.txt and MidiMap.txt.
 
I do also have C:\ProgramData\Camel Audio\Alchemy, which I assume was created automatically during the reinstall.
This folder contains AlchemyConfig.txt (which appears to contain several of the same entries and appears to be updated along with AlchemyLog.txt during any session changes) and what appears to be a proprietary Alchemy_Preset_Ratings_And_Tags file.
 
It appears that the LibraryPath referenced in the AlchemyConfig.txt and AlchemyLog.txt is a key entry to get Alchemy to see all the installed libraries.
 
BTW, I found the info below when I was digging around in the libraries - 
Instructions from Camel Audio addressing the reinstallation procedures that were released prior to Camel going offline.
Converted to text so I could post it here. Hope this helps!
 
Randy
 
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FAQs > Installation > How do I Download and Backup My Products?
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Until July 7th 2015, your Camel Audio purchases will continue to be available
for download from your account, either via the Camel Audio website, or via the
installer.... 


Thank you so much for the reprint. It answered my questions and it's all good now (except that somewhere I lost the "Dream Voices" preset file. The samples I have I do have). It's off and running in Sonar just fine.
 
Thanks for sticking with my questions and posting what you did. I'd forgotten just how cool Alchemy sounds. Things are really looking up for me now post-HDD crash. Tone2 got back to me and said they'd help me out as well. So, I've almost got the computer back to where it was, only faster and leaner.

“Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy” is attributed to Benjamin Franklin perhaps in error, but the thought remains a worthy sentiment nonetheless.

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/17 09:31:36 (permalink)
Good to hear - 
Good luck getting the rest of your DAW back in operation! 
 
I'm with you on Alchemy ~
I don't use it that often, but it really is a VERY cool sounding soft synth!
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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/17 15:54:59 (permalink)
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Alchemy is my go to sample player. Being able to set up 8 variations on a patch and morph between them is really nice. As a guitar player I can use an expression pedal and morph between 4 variations while I play. Very cool.


I've never used an expression pedal (I'm also a guitarist) and would love to use Alchemy with one. Any recommendations on which pedal to get?  

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/17 16:25:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/07/17 16:57:05
Any MIDI expression pedal should work. I have a Yamaha MFC10 that has an expression pedal. 
 


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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/17 16:59:06 (permalink)
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Any MIDI expression pedal should work. I have a Yamaha MFC10 that has an expression pedal. 
 



Excellent!!
I have an old Digitech RP 10 which I've been meaning to get out of storage and use.

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Re: Alchemy questions.... 2017/07/20 18:05:41 (permalink)
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Any MIDI expression pedal should work. I have a Yamaha MFC10 that has an expression pedal. 
 



Excellent!!
I have an old Digitech RP 10 which I've been meaning to get out of storage and use.


If you can find one, the old Yamaha MCS2 allows for two foot controllers and two foot switches (each is bought separately, however). The cool part of having two foot controllers is that you can set them up to an X and Y axis if you want. This works then like the joystick in the Korg Wavestation did.
 
I own two MCS2's. They are awesome.


“Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy” is attributed to Benjamin Franklin perhaps in error, but the thought remains a worthy sentiment nonetheless.

 
 
 
 
 
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