jwillis
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final mix volume
I've tried searching these forums for similar subjects, but I just can't find the answers I'm looking for. I am trying to understand how to increase the volume of my exported audio files to something close to what you hear on commercially produced CD's. When I play my song through an ipod or stereo system it is not even close to the same volume as other music. I pretty happy with the final mix i have come up with but the volume just isn't there. Can someone help explain this to me and what I can do to increase the volume? Thanks, John
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57Gregy
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Re:final mix volume
2011/10/31 21:19:37
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Professional studios use many methods to increase the apparent volume of their product, usually with equalization, compression and limiters. What is the visible level of your song in the Master bus of your project? I guess I should ask is it audio, MIDI, or a combination of both? Are you using buses for your audio tracks? Software synths for your MIDI?
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jwillis
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Re:final mix volume
2011/10/31 21:43:06
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Hi Greg, thanks for the quick reply. Here's some info about what I have done so far. I have three midi tracks (bass, drums, keyboard) all using soft synths (Dreamstation and CW TTS-1). I have three audio guitar tracks. I have the three audio tracks going to an audio subgroup where I am applying some effects to the whole group. Then I have the audio subgroup and all the midi tracks going to the master. I have the Sonitus EQ and compression applied in various places, mostly by trial and error, trying to find out what works. If you are interested, you can hear what I have come up with here http://soundcloud.com/johnrwillis/you-made-my-day-102511. You ask about buses, I am not sure I really understand about those, is the audio subgroup a bus? Not really sure how to use these. Thanks again for you help, if you have any advice or tips on my song I'd be interested in hearing from you about that. John
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 03:00:56
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The "close-to-commercial" loudness comes through (simplified): 1) Automating volume on individual tracks to level the worst jumps and drops 2) adding subtle compression on individual tracks according to need 3) EQing the tracks to create a soundscape that is somewhat balanced frequencywise, and so that especially the low end is in control. Low sounds push the meters to red but are not that loud audibly. An easy trick to get the idea is to put a high-pass in the master bus at about 40 Hz, and to electric guitars and vocals at about 150 Hz. 4) Using EQ, Compression and limiter in the master bus I recommend Roey Izhakis book "Mixing audio". Also tweakheadz.com has guides about using these FX. Googling for "mastering" "loudness" surely brings up things, too.
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 07:50:19
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Here's what I do...right or wrong... this is how I do it on every song I complete. My final levels on the songs compare favorably with radio quality and levels. I mix the tune in the DAW using the FX and compression I have available. I do not try to over compress. I like to keep some dynamic range in the wave. Upon export, I double check all levels in the tracks and in the busses to be sure nothing it clipping (in the red) . An occasional blink of red is OK in my experience and has never caused me problems. OK so I export it with 'What you hear" into a folder to receive the new wave. I open it in my WAVEPAD wave editor and trim the starting count in and dead space at the end. I click save. Next I apply Normalization to it in Wavepad. Normalizing brings the highest peak in the wave to 0db and everything else is under that level. Unless there are some wild spikes in the wave, this tends to raise the final volume pretty close to radio/standard CD levels. If there are big spikes I would have to go back to the DAW and compress those spikes down to get the levels up without incurring digital clipping in the final wavepad conversion. http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/ It's a free mp3 converter and audio editor.
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 11:04:18
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If the subgroups are on the right side with your master bus, they're buses. Make sure the outputs of your soft synth tracks are also sent to buses, not directly to the sound card. Have you tried the Boost 11 compresser included with MC 5? If all your tracks are sent to a single bus (the Master), but Boost 11 in the master and choose the Final Mix preset. It works okay. There is also a Squash preset which might be good for in-your-face rock but not so good for any song with dynamics. You can also do like Guitarhacker suggested, export the mix to an audio editor for final mastering. But don't get too caught up in the loudness war. Professional studios have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment and experienced audio engineers to do the work.
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 17:56:17
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Yeah..... loudness isn't everything, but it does help if you are trying to pitch your music to be up to at least the level of the other music they normally use. Low, weak levels indicate someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
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jwillis
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 18:24:11
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Hey guys, thanks for the tips. I think I will try downloading Wavepad and experimenting with that. I don't think the Boost 11 product comes with the cakewalk product I have.
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 20:39:39
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Boost 11 is a very hard limiter. I've used it on some projects and it's really easy to screw things up with it. There are better ways to get the same results without the destruction that can be had with B-11 if you're not careful.
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Re:final mix volume
2011/11/01 20:42:06
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BTW.... Wavepad is in full open mode for 10 days IIRC.... then it shuts down to demo mode unless you buy it. It will do everything you need in demo mode. It trims, normalizes, and converts waves to MP3 and more all in demo mode. It will save in demo mode too.
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