siris1977
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firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
the firestudio tube also comes with studio one in case X1b falls short. but the 828 looks pretty sweet
anyone have either of these that can give me any info onhow well they work/ sound with X1? and how does the qmix work with X1 or does it?
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 01:29:53
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If low round-trip latency is important to you (if you monitor in realtime thru software EFX/processing), I'd go with the MOTU. Both have onboard cue-mix capability... DICE-II chipset has a sketchy history with Sonar (flakey behavior)... but that has improved in the last year. Between those two, I'd go MOTU without a doubt.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 06:35:44
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Besides, the MOTU is Solid State!
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siris1977
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 14:46:11
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thatks guys looks like i might have to give the motu a new home.
i'd like protools 9 also. I found a student discount for the m-powered but havent found a student discount for the crossgrade to pt9 full version. any ideas.?
for my first rack compressor, would you go with a multi band comp. or a single comp/limiter? i wont be able to get another comp for a while. so i'm thinking the multiband might be the best choise. anyone agree disagree?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 15:20:28
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A hardware multi band? I think that would be something you will really regret.
Maybe after you own a
Distressor
Cranesong Trakker
La-2A
Purple Mc 77
Mohog 76
and a few others.
The only really good reason to own a hardware compressor these days is to track with it, gently, so that a performer can listen to the effect while they play.
Software compressors are the way to go for just about anything else.
Lots of folks still go outside the box for cool compression effects... then you need 2 of everything... but there are lots of better ways to spend a studio budget.
best regards,
mike
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 15:37:22
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for my first rack compressor, would you go with a multi band comp. or a single comp/limiter? i wont be able to get another comp for a while. so i'm thinking the multiband might be the best choise. anyone agree disagree? I would absolutely not track with a multi-band compressor... You'll likely do far more harm than good. As Mike already suggested, I'd spend your money on quality mics/preamps before any hardware compressor. If you have great mics/pres... and have the budget for a prime-time unit, the LA-2A is perfect for smooth/soft compression... and the 1176 is great for more aggressive stuff. Note that both are somewhat costly. FWIW, I wouldn't even fool with mediocre' hardware compressors. With careful gain-staging and nice dynamics plugins (to apply upon playback)... you can achieve great sounding results without using compression on the way in. BTW, If you do a great job on your mix... you also may find that multi-band compression is not needed (or desired).  I tend to think of multi-band compressors in the same light as sonic enhancers (BBE, Aural Exciter, etc). I would only grab them as a last resort... to solve a problem that can't be addressed at the source.
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siris1977
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 16:21:00
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yeah I agree. I have my X1 and waves comps. but being kinda of old school Its hard to break the hardware habit. heh multiband comp would be mainly a mastering comp. I guess I was thinking it would take a little off the cpu if i had a rack comp. but then again i am running a quad core.. heh
idk i've never had a hardware comp before. So my ignorance is great. i'mm seeing a decent ammount of bad reviews on teh motu mk3 on youtube. is that cuz they dont know what they are donig? seems like the complaints are fairly consistant.
I like the firestudio tube too and it comes with studio one. but if i'm gonna get a interface DAW bundle I'd rather have a protools avid bundle to be honest. but now i'm hearing pt9 and X1 arent compatible on the same machine.. oh if these companies would just get thier crap together my wallet wouldnt be on fire with now... lol
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 16:33:40
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I'm running X1 and Pt9 on a ASIO MOTU 896HD in Win XP SP3 32bit.
A multi band hardware comp will be perfect for repairing what you bring in with the "tube". :-)
If you are old school then you should get an old school tube preamp... plan on a minimum of $600 perchannel with stripped down features. Any tube gear cheaper than that is, to put it politely, new school.
best regards,
mike
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 17:33:16
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idk i've never had a hardware comp before. So my ignorance is great. i'mm seeing a decent ammount of bad reviews on teh motu mk3 on youtube. is that cuz they dont know what they are donig? seems like the complaints are fairly consistant. The MOTU isn't the best audio interface that money can buy... But it's certainly a nice unit. RME is one small notch better. FWIW, Myself and many clients/associates have run MOTU firewire audio interfaces for several years without problems. Most critical is using a good TI chipset Firewire controller. Almost every time you see someone having problems with a Firewire audio interface... they're not using a good TI chipset Firewire controller. Connect the mkIII to a well configured DAW (via a good TI chipset FW controller) and it'll work fine. If you're old school, you'd probably like the LA-610 (Universal Audio) or the 6176 These units combine a 610 tube mic preamp... with an LA-2A style compressor... and an 1176 style compressor. I believe Mike has the LA-610.
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/01/26 18:14:21
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I had an 828mk3. Very nice unit, decent sound, not mastering grade but very good. My only real complaints were noisy preamps and a lack of clarity in the DAC. It worked much better with Windows Vista/7 than my Steinberg MR816 and had much better control software.
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Tony S
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/02/03 11:55:59
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Siris,
Between the Firestudio Tube or the 828MK111, I'd take the Steinberg MR816x.
I spent 3 weeks of my life with a 828MK111, which went back to Sweetwater.
The MR816x is, in MY experience totally rock solid with 8.3.5 Producer.
I'm learning Omnisphere* and going in and out of sounds and configurations doing many MIDI and Audio edits,dragging, cutting and pasting ,you name it, and my several-times-daily crashes are gone!!!
The MR816x is in another league from the MOTU sound-wise; noticeably, head-and-shoulders better.
BUT:
Check out Gearslutz, do your research on routing, etc...and make sure you install the latest drivers.
There are no provisions for MIDI, but mine works flawlessly with a Roland/Cake walk UM-3G.
And, of course, listen to Jim Roseberry, who has helped many people in these forums...
Tony S
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Re:firestudio tube or the 828mk3 for x1?
2011/02/08 08:48:58
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LA-610 and 6176 here.
Can't go wrong with those...
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