( fixed ) Need help with Sonar file structure

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( fixed ) Need help with Sonar file structure

In an effort to make the most of recent changes I've started a new project at a remote location. I have a 10 year old dual core and am recording an audiobook using WASAPI. Only the onboard sound chip is being used, along with an upgraded video card. It's perfect for this job and has given a purpose to a former door stop.
 
My problem is when transferring the project from the remote location to my home for editing. I'm using a USB stick for the transfer. I set up directories in my Cakewalk Projects folder and dropped the files into it. Each project folder has  the *.cwp file and all the related resource files. It also has an audio folder with the *.wav files.
 
The structure and locations are similar to all my other projects but Sonar isn't finding the *.wav files. IF I manually point to the files it says that they are different than the originals. What originals? I'm only just setting them up.
 
I'd appreciate it if one of the power users could give me some guidance on working in 2 locations and transferring files successfully.
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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 06:21:10 (permalink)
    If it was me, I wouldn't simply "drop the files" onto a USB stick.
     
    I would do a "save as" off the project, specify the USB stick as the destination and make sure "Copy Audio with Project" is checked.
     
    When you're in the studio, plug in the stick and open the project normally using File > Open
     
    Then you can do another "save as" and point it to your audio drive.

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 07:01:48 (permalink)
    Try running Sonar as administrator. I have had file permission issues with projects on memory sticks in the past and this seemed to work.

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 08:03:45 (permalink)
    Your sure you are NOT using different drive letter ? That would make a difference.

    FWIW, Mr Jonesey's solution is what i would have done ....

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 08:29:54 (permalink)
    Drive letter does not matter as long as the default per-project audio file structure is maintained. IOW, a project folder containing (at the very least) both the project file and all the audio in an Audio subdirectory. There could be additional stuff in the project folder such as project versions, Melodyne and Mix Recall folders.
     
    "Save As" to the USB stick as described above is a safe way to create a complete project. I would not open or work directly on the USB stick though preferring to copy the project folder onto a fixed drive before using it.
     
    The first time, on the remote machine, as a test "Save As" to the local hard drive. Configure SONAR to run on the internal PC chip and make sure the new project runs OK. Then copy project folder created by this "Save As" to the USB stick. You could do this every time if you want to verify the project is playable but it is probably not necessary.
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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 09:56:33 (permalink)
    if you save the project and select save as 'Bundle' format/extension, Sonar will write everything to that file that it needs to start it from scratch. You can then open that Bundle in Sonar on the other computer.
     
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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 11:50:50 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    If it was me, I wouldn't simply "drop the files" onto a USB stick.
     
    I would do a "save as" off the project, specify the USB stick as the destination and make sure "Copy Audio with Project" is checked.
     
    When you're in the studio, plug in the stick and open the project normally using File > Open
     
    Then you can do another "save as" and point it to your audio drive.


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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 12:40:27 (permalink)
    Thanks for the ideas. I was a bit stupid when I transferred everything but going forward I'm going to use the steps you all have provided. I'm still not sure how to handle what I have right now. I have placed everything in my per project folders the way Scook describes but Sonar is still complaining about the locations.
     
    Thankfully it's early days for this project so there's only a couple of sessions that I have to sort out. There must be pointers in the *.cwp that direct Sonar to locations that don't exist on my home machine. Live and learn as they say.

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 13:28:44 (permalink)
     
    I just asked this question and people tell me it's fine to work directly from an external hard drive ( not sure about a USB stick) 
    So you could simply open the project and work directly from the USB HD. this makes life simple for using 2 computers to work on the same project. The working copy lives on the USB drive and the back ups are stored locally. 
    Yes, always backups! I would do a "save as" at the end of the day and date that version before moving on. 
     
     
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2017/01/16 12:05:05

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 19:45:40 (permalink)
    ampfixer, there is a utility program that might be helpful to your project moving. It's called projectscope.exe and you can find a link to it here (and elsewhere)
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-Resources-and-Utilities-m3392713.aspx
     
    It does indeed use some of those "pointers in the *.cwp" to list the attached wav files and the sub-folder/directory in which it expects them to be located. As I recall, cwp files do not save whole drive paths (letters), just relative paths.

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 20:16:13 (permalink)
    More good advice. @czyky, that utility works very well, thanks for the heads up.
     
    As it turns out there's something odd with my system. I can move files around and create the directories but Sonar doesn't recognize the changes until I shut down the computer and restart. I ran into the same issue trying to get a template onto the startup screen. I did everything correctly but a restart of the PC was required to make the changes stick. I must have some cache enabled but no idea where.

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    Re: Need help with Sonar file structure 2017/01/15 20:21:17 (permalink)
    assume you have that cache reading/writing disabled in Sonar / Preferences / Audio / Sync and caching 
     
     
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