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2012/09/10 19:42:29 (permalink)

freezing a track results in no wave picture

this occurs on one of my projects only. go to freeze a track and get a flat line - ie, no wave form cant figure this one out. i tried bypassing all plugs and even removing a couple. it has worked once before while mixing. not sure what changed. has anyone experienced this and if so what was the fix ? ps - yes, i've tried restarting sonar (X1 expanded)..
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    Beepster
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 19:57:32 (permalink)
    Maybe you set that project to the function that hides the visual representation of the Clip to preserve system resources. I have no idea how to do or undo that... but if the clip is still audible that would be my guess.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 19:58:26 (permalink)
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    this occurs on one of my projects only. go to freeze a track and get a flat line - ie, no wave form cant figure this one out. i tried bypassing all plugs and even removing a couple. it has worked once before while mixing. not sure what changed. has anyone experienced this and if so what was the fix ? ps - yes, i've tried restarting sonar (X1 expanded)..
    Have you recorded anything or bounced anything in any projects after this anomaly appeared? Did the waveforms appear okay?
     
    I'm probably way off here, but could it be anything to do with your picture cache being full?  If so, try deleting the contents of your picture cache.

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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:00:46 (permalink)
    jb101: yes, i worked on other projects after this problem appeared so, i would say cache is ok.. beepster: never heard of that function but i'll investigate. thanks !
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:06:36 (permalink)
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    jb101: yes, i worked on other projects after this problem appeared so, i would say cache is ok.. beepster: never heard of that function but i'll investigate. thanks !

    Just a thought..
     
    Do you still hear the audio even though waveform is flatline?
     
    Are you using fast bounce?  What FX do you have on that track?  They may be odd questions, but with trouble shooting, you never know..

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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:06:48 (permalink)
    Yeah, sorry I couldn't be more helpful but it should be in the manual somewhere. The overloaded image folder thing is something to be aware of too but I'm not sure how that works either. Cheers.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:11:36 (permalink)
    jb: i should've mentioned that no, I hear nothing when it has been frozen and flatlined. beepster: thanks ! i'll take a look for that too very frustrating. I will try loading the project in safe mode - see if that helps. it may be a plugin..
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:15:43 (permalink)
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    jb: i should've mentioned that no, I hear nothing when it has been frozen and flatlined. beepster: thanks ! i'll take a look for that too very frustrating. I will try loading the project in safe mode - see if that helps. it may be a plugin..
     
    What FX do you have on? Is it a VSTi?  Simple ins. track?  Any time based FX?

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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:17:09 (permalink)
    Oh... it DOESN'T play when it's flat? It probably won't be what I was referring to then. What I'm talking about only disables the visuals, not the audio. As was mentioned it might be a bad plug so you could try starting the project in safe mode and remove any plugs on the track one by one to find the culprit. Otherwise it might be a corrupt audio file. If you have previously saved versions of the project with that file in it perhaps try opening them to see if they work. Just tossin' ideas out. Good luck.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:20:44 (permalink)
    tried safe mode with no plugins at all and same problem exists. this sucks. i guess i'll just keep it as is and not freeze the tracks. i wanted to freeze them to conserve cpu. jb, same problem occurs in safe mode without any plugs so i don't believe its a plug now.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:36:03 (permalink)
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    tried safe mode with no plugins at all and same problem exists. this sucks. i guess i'll just keep it as is and not freeze the tracks. i wanted to freeze them to conserve cpu. jb, same problem occurs in safe mode without any plugs so i don't believe its a plug now.
    Weird..
     
    What happens if you export track as Wav.?
     
    You didn't mention if it was Simp. Inst. track or not.
     
    I just reckon it's worth looking at a few more possibilities before giving up.  I know it's frustrating when all you want to do is be creating music..

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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:38:55 (permalink)
    thanks jb, yes all instrument tracks, ie , no midi.. im not even using a lot of plugs - mostly cake stuff, really. i think this project is screwed. 49 tracks, 16 buses though, i have other projects with more tracks and buses and even more plugs that work just fine. i will try exporting the waves. Thanks again !
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:42:55 (permalink)
    also weird is the solo button seems to be stuck though no tracks are solo'd (no hidden tracks either) perhaps this is the answer, ie, a track is solo'd and when i go to freeze or mix down, no signal is heard... i have to find this solo'd track
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 20:59:45 (permalink)
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    also weird is the solo button seems to be stuck though no tracks are solo'd (no hidden tracks either) perhaps this is the answer, ie, a track is solo'd and when i go to freeze or mix down, no signal is heard... i have to find this solo'd track

    I'm off to bed now.  Give me a shout if you do/don't get this sorted.
     
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 21:02:19 (permalink)
    thanks jb ! i think the stuck solo button is the key. problem is, i can't unstuck it and i can't find any track solo'd...
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 21:07:32 (permalink)
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    thanks jb ! i think the stuck solo button is the key. problem is, i can't unstuck it and i can't find any track solo'd...

    Have you hidden any tracks? In the track view, try "Views" - "Show All Hidden Tracks".
     
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/10 21:12:34 (permalink)
    thanks jb. no tracks appear to be hidden. the frustration continues. goodnite.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 04:01:27 (permalink)
    I've never seen a "stuck" solo button before.

    Why are you saying it's stuck - and where is it?

    Is the Global Solo button in the Control Bar lit up? If it is, what happens when you click it?

    Also check you don't have any busses solo'ed as these will NOT un-solo when you click the  Global Solo

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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 10:47:18 (permalink)
    hi BJ, it seems to be associated with a midi track i cannot find. i have a bass track folder that has 3 instrument tracks that I can see and 1 midi track that isnt there (and not in the hidden tracks list either). it's stuck in that i cannot disengage it.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 19:40:09 (permalink)
    so i did contact cakewalk regarding this problem and while they did offer suggestions to remedy it , none of the suggestions will work for me. 1) copy and paste audio into new project. when did this, all tracks pasted were out of sync. 2) none of the plugs and or buses can be pasted. 3) i can't bounce tracks and export. bouncing results in no audio. so im stuck with this problem as is. the workaround is to solo all tracks. works ok but its frustrating that i cant freeze tracks.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 19:55:03 (permalink)
    This is probably the weirdest issue I've seen on these forums. However you SHOULD be able to paste everything in sync in a new project (I don't know the exact procedure but it is supposed to work... I think there is a checkmark or something in the copy/paste dialog that keeps everything lined up). Also maybe you can save a blank template of the original project with just the tracks, settings and effects (no audio) and then paste it into that. Again I don't know how to do that but maybe someone smarter than I can help. But you ARE actually getting signal with everything soloed? Maybe you can export all the tracks and load them into a new project (or a template with all your fx and settings) instead of copy/pasting them. As always I'm just tossing out ideas. I really have no idea what the heck I'm doing. Cheers.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 19:59:22 (permalink)
    it is extremely frustrating. your ideas are definitely worthy to investigate for sure and, i will ! i have proceed with the project as is and won't fuss with the problem for now. i'll post at a later time on the results of testing your ideas many thanks ! oh yes, i am getting audio playback as you normally would (ie, without soloing tracks) . it's at mixdown where i need to solo all tracks in order to get audio. otherwise its not completely flat lined, there is some audio, but very low and sounds as if coming only from a reverb bus. yes, i tried to isolate the tracks to possibly find the culprit but i can't seem to win.
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    Re:freezing a track results in no wave picture 2012/09/11 20:03:14 (permalink)
    Right on, man. I just don't want to send you on any more wild goose chases. I hope you get it sorted out. It does indeed sound extremely frustrating. Cheers.
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