Timeking
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frequent crashing !!!
I am running X1 Producer on 3.2 ghz dual core with 4 gig ram under xp. I have had no problem with Sonar 7 or 8.5. However, X1 seems to want to crash repeatedly. For example if I try to set up the much-touted multidock feature so I can see a track and I can see the console view, crash!!! This pretty repeatable. I installed over Sonar 8.5 (I didn't uninstall it) and I installed from all those humongous download files. suggestions please. timeking@fflynet.net Ohmegga Audio Florida
Greg Graves, Ohmegga Audio Studio Fort Pierce FL timeking {[at]} fflynet.net
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:26:06
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lets go over your system : motherboard make and model video card make and model xp is what SP >?
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:31:39
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intel pentium d940
biostar p4m900-m7 fe
service pack 3 build 2600
asus video eah 3450 with 512mb
direct x 9.0c
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:35:13
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Timeking
intel pentium d940
biostar p4m900-m7 fe
service pack 3 build 2600
asus video eah 3450 with 512mb
direct x 9.0c
stand by il do some reading look on the board is 7.0 or 7.1
post edited by StarTekh - 2011/03/02 18:37:11
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:37:01
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maybe it is a 256mb video card. I thought it was 512, but a google says 256. I could take machine apart to find out if necessary, but would need to know necessary to do that.
Thanks.
I also just recd fedx the install CDs.
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:39:13
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[size=3 font="times new roman"]ASUS EAH3450 SILENT/DI/512MD2 Radeon HD 3450 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
i was right 512
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:41:37
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ok dont bother look below Operating System: Windows 98/ ME/ 2000/ XP x86/ XP x64/ Vista x86/ Vista x64/ Server 2003 x86/ Server 2003 x64 V5.24A 2010-01-22 12.73 MB there are no windows7 drivers, this would be a issue in the interm did u install 2010 C++ http://www.microsoft.com/...4d3a-a423-37bf0912db84 whats the audio interface. il bb reading
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 18:44:23
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 20:58:13
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Uh, you want me to installl windows 7 drivers on xp sp 3???!???
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 21:08:03
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Timeking
Uh, you want me to installl windows 7 drivers on xp sp 3???!???
oops no do the ones for xp , sorry lotta work happening
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 21:12:16
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i installed the 2010 version of c++ but still get way too frequent crashes
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StarTekh
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/02 21:21:28
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Timeking
i installed the 2010 version of c++ but still get way too frequent crashes
you need the 4in1 drivers or the system will never run well 1 usualy installs the os updates the chipset/4in1's then the video ..then what ever programs..and their updts
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/03 00:16:26
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A Pentium D is marginal for this use. Its the predecessor to the Core 2 Duo and not nearly as good. How much memory do you have in that computer?
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/03 18:22:25
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4 gigs of ram. the cpu is running at 3.2ghz so should be plenty of muscle there.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/04 05:11:25
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Timeking
4 gigs of ram. the cpu is running at 3.2ghz so should be plenty of muscle there.
I'm running a Q6600 (quad core) and feel humbled by what some people around here quote in their specs. It may not be the whole reason for your problem but a single core cpu just isn't cutting it anymore. Grum.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/04 07:15:30
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Timeking
4 gigs of ram. the cpu is running at 3.2ghz so should be plenty of muscle there.
I'm running a Q6600 (quad core) and feel humbled by what some people around here quote in their specs. It may not be the whole reason for your problem but a single core cpu just isn't cutting it anymore.
Grum.
Depends on what you do. It is plenty sufficient to run X1 though. OP, you obviously have something not playing right with X1. I'm sure it goes without saying, but make sure you have the newest drivers for everything on your system (especially your audio card and video drivers). Eliminate the possibilities one by one.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/04 15:32:14
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spanky grumbleweed4162
Timeking
4 gigs of ram. the cpu is running at 3.2ghz so should be plenty of muscle there.
I'm running a Q6600 (quad core) and feel humbled by what some people around here quote in their specs. It may not be the whole reason for your problem but a single core cpu just isn't cutting it anymore.
Grum.
Depends on what you do. It is plenty sufficient to run X1 though.
OP, you obviously have something not playing right with X1. I'm sure it goes without saying, but make sure you have the newest drivers for everything on your system (especially your audio card and video drivers). Eliminate the possibilities one by one.
From the product info for Sonar X1: The following are the minimum recommended system requirements for SONAR X1 Producer.
- Windows XP Service Pack 3 (32-bit)/Vista Service Pack 2 (32- or 64-bit)/Windows 7 (32- or 64-bit)*
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz/AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz
- 2 GB RAM
- 1280x800 minimum screen resolution
- 4.5GB for minimal installation, 15GB for complete installation
- SONAR on DVD: DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R or DVD+/-RW Drive..................
Grum.
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/04 15:35:52
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Obvious question probably but are you running the X1a update?
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/04 16:03:15
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I was having crashes all the time with X1. I updated the motherboard bios per startekh's suggestion and that "seemed" to help.
but I was in contact with tech support at cake and TS seems to think it was Kontakt causing the crashing problem. I was using what the NI service center said was the latest version of kontakt for winxp, but TS said that Kontakt had some stability issues which cake had informed them of and those were supposed to have been fixed with 4.2.2 (I was running 4.1.3).
when I switched over to win7x64 and my NI service center THEN updated me to 4.2.2, I have not had any more crashing.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 03:09:24
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i only crash when teh vidoe drivers conflict with teh asio driver in cakewalk or focurite?
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DeveryH
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 09:15:57
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grumbleweed4162
spanky
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The following are the minimum recommended system requirements for SONAR X1 Producer.
- Windows XP Service Pack 3 (32-bit)/Vista Service Pack 2 (32- or 64-bit)/Windows 7 (32- or 64-bit)*
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz/AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz
..Grum.
I did not realize that his CPU falls short of the minimum specs. I guess the 3.2 Ghz at face value seems sufficient. OP might want an upgrade. :)
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 09:41:08
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a pentium D is a dual core processor, and its running at 3.2 ghz. I was under impression that what would happen would be that I couldn't run as many as effects/tracks. Not that it would crash. Honestly that doesn't make much sense, since when you run out of cpu, you normally get a dropout, not a crash. The D940 did phenomenally well under Sonar 8.5, like 60 stereo tracks at once and 8 or 9 effects all running no problemo.
Before I go thru ALL THE FREAKING TROUBLE to upgrade, I need to hear this sad news from Cakewalk Techies!!!
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 11:11:44
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not to get off topic but spanky...my kids love your avatar.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 11:41:38
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Beagle
I was having crashes all the time with X1. I updated the motherboard bios per startekh's suggestion and that "seemed" to help.
Do not ever update firmware of any sort, especially the BIOS. unless you are pretty sure that it is what is causing your problem. A botched BIOS update can brick your machine and leave you without a computer.
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Timeking
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 12:03:38
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 Well I upgraded my autio card, video card drivers, and I also let windows manage my swap ram (previously set to zero to force xp to utilize my 4 gigs of ram). Now it don't crash, and I am thinking that the reason was the swap drive - out of ram, boom, crash. As far as the cpu, I have fanspeed and the d940 cpu is really having to work to keep up, got the temperature coming up and then the annoying fans gets speeded up to cool things down. So it works ok, and I see I need to upgrade my mb, cpu, ram, god knows what ... but now I can deal with it when I have the money, not go into panic mode.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 12:31:22
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Timeking
Well I upgraded my autio card, video card drivers, and I also let windows manage my swap ram (previously set to zero to force xp to utilize my 4 gigs of ram). Now it don't crash, and I am thinking that the reason was the swap drive - out of ram, boom, crash. As far as the cpu, I have fanspeed and the d940 cpu is really having to work to keep up, got the temperature coming up and then the annoying fans gets speeded up to cool things down. So it works ok, and I see I need to upgrade my mb, cpu, ram, god knows what ... but now I can deal with it when I have the money, not go into panic mode.
You definitely want the swap file with your system. 2 1/2 times your ram is good. IMHO make sure minimum and maximum swap file size is the same. Always worked well for me and client PCS this way. I also agree with you about the processor.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 12:33:41
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I was having crashes all the time with X1. I updated the motherboard bios per startekh's suggestion and that "seemed" to help.
Do not ever update firmware of any sort, especially the BIOS. unless you are pretty sure that it is what is causing your problem. A botched BIOS update can brick your machine and leave you without a computer.
Also update if the firmware adds enhancements or support you need\want
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 12:59:53
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Timeking
a pentium D is a dual core processor, and its running at 3.2 ghz. I was under impression that what would happen would be that I couldn't run as many as effects/tracks. Not that it would crash. Honestly that doesn't make much sense, since when you run out of cpu, you normally get a dropout, not a crash. The D940 did phenomenally well under Sonar 8.5, like 60 stereo tracks at once and 8 or 9 effects all running no problemo.
Before I go thru ALL THE FREAKING TROUBLE to upgrade, I need to hear this sad news from Cakewalk Techies!!!
ays 256. I could take machine apart to find out if necessary, but would need to know necessary to do that. I would do this as well (call customer service). It still seems sufficient to me in my mind. I can't imagine X1 being that much of a hog that a dual core processor at 3.2 wouldn't be sufficient. I was just simply conceding to grumbleweed's post.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 13:51:40
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I was having crashes all the time with X1. I updated the motherboard bios per startekh's suggestion and that "seemed" to help.
Do not ever update firmware of any sort, especially the BIOS. unless you are pretty sure that it is what is causing your problem. A botched BIOS update can brick your machine and leave you without a computer.
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Re:frequent crashing !!!
2011/03/05 14:05:07
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10Ten
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I was having crashes all the time with X1. I updated the motherboard bios per startekh's suggestion and that "seemed" to help.
Do not ever update firmware of any sort, especially the BIOS. unless you are pretty sure that it is what is causing your problem. A botched BIOS update can brick your machine and leave you without a computer.
I was fully aware of the risks when I updated the bios.
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