batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
gonzo's garage records: guerilla recording session-FOLLOW UP
HERE'S A LINK TO THE FINAL TUNES: I engineered, mixed and produced the new "Kettlefish" album http://www.myspace.com/kettlefish also, they've uploaded 192kbps mp3's, available here: http://kettlefishfarm.com/ long live guerilla-style recording!!!! i was hired to run a recording session for a local original music band..."Kettlefish". and the trick was, we only had one day to record the drum tracks for the entire album! heheheh holy cow, on one hand, it's quite the challenge, and could be fun... on the other hand, What a Headache! LOL ok, so, here was the target: 7 good songs, to go on the album, out of 10 songs recorded. if we're on a roll, maybe we get 12 songs. so, we set up the gear and cables on friday night... we then used saturday, as the mix-levels and headphone-levels session.... and the actual recording session on sunday, from 12 noon til 6:30 pm. we used an alesis HD24 (at 24 bit and 44/1khz), and an Allen and Heath board. the idea was, to have everyone else in the band, playing live in the same room along with the drummer, but to have everyone (but the drummer) 'silent recording', with individual headphone mixes for everyone, via 6 auxillary sends on individual channels. that worked really well, but took all day long saturday, to set up.... levels, mix balances, all that. we recorded acoustic guitar direct, behind a gobo. bass guitar direct, electric guitar via a Palmer Junction, and keys direct. the singer was behind a plexiglass 'door' we built across an adjoining room. this cut down on 'most' of the bleedthrough from the vox (he's really loud when he's singing). so we started with setting the drum kit up, minus cymbals, since the drummer had a gig friday night, and had to use the cymbals with his 2nd gigging kit. we used a matched pair of audio tecnicas for the overheads... and a Audix kit for most of the drums- one for each tom, one large diaphram in the front of the kick, an akg on the beater side, an audix on the top snare, and a 57 on the bottom snare.... and a 57 on the hi hats. we had no external processing at all.. so all levels were set very carefully, with lots of headroom. we got 14 songs in 6-1/2 hours. LOL :D now, guess who get's to mix em'? the kit: here's the drummer feelin' the love: the acoustic guitarist behind the 'gobo': and, chad, the singer, in the box: i dumped all the wav files off the HD24 onto DVD's---- 210 24 bit wav files......... i mixed the first one last night... just as a guideline, for what i intend to do with the rest of the songs. sounds better than i thought it would. we're going to rough mix all 14 songs, pick the 7 best, then start overdubbing everything all over again, using these drum tracks as the starting point. i'm working up eq and compression schemes now, for the drum tracks- then i'll use one good song, with eq's and compression and reverb settings established for the drum tracks in that one, and 'save as' all the other songs, delete the audio, and VOILA-- instant track setups for the rest of the drum tracks on the other 6 songs. at least, in theory, that's what i plan to do.... ;)
post edited by batsbrew - 2009/05/15 10:18:05
|
macflooze
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
- Total Posts : 544
- Joined: 2006/05/27 18:23:06
- Location: Glasgow, Scotland
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2008/09/18 19:49:31
(permalink)
Nice Report! I make a large part of my income doing 'gonzo garage (or basement) guerilla recording'. One day record, on an Onyx 1640 FW into Sonar on a lappy, one day mix. Last week it was this band. This Sunday it's a string quartet. Never a dull moment!
Pmac ToneZone Information spreads at the speed of light, while ignorance is instantaneous at all points in the known universe - Dmitry Orlov
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2008/09/23 11:18:37
(permalink)
yep, sounds about like this project... tho, this session was only to capture the drums... so, now, everybody else wants to overdub their parts... but i think that will go pretty quickly. the drummer's coming by tonight, to listen to the one song i've mixed so far, so we can come to an agreement about how the drums are going to be eq'd and processed for the rest of the songs on the cd. so, i'll create a song template based off the one good mix, as a starting point for all the other songs, and once i get this mix dialed in, i'll apply it to all the other songs. right now, it's really about hunting for 'that sound', that will define the overall drum sound for this project.
|
Bristol_Jonesey
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 16775
- Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
- Location: Bristol, UK
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2008/09/23 11:39:29
(permalink)
I can't see the pictures!!! Just a red X inside a box, inside another box.
CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughoutCustom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
|
krizrox
Max Output Level: -35 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4046
- Joined: 2003/11/23 09:49:33
- Location: Elgin, IL
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2008/09/23 15:29:36
(permalink)
Ahh you have a washer and dryer in your studio too huh? One of the many perks we offer our clients
Larry Kriz www.LnLRecording.com www.myspace.com/lnlrecording Sonar PE 8.5, Samplitude Pro 11, Sonic Core Scope Professional/XTC, A16 Ultra AD/DA, Intel DG965RY MOBO, Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz processor, XFX GeForce 7300 GT PCIe video card, Barracuda 750 & 320GB SATA drives, 4GB DDR Ram, Plextor DVD/CD-R burner.
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/01/19 14:29:19
(permalink)
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/08 10:29:35
(permalink)
FOLLOW UP THREAD: I engineered, mixed and produced the new "Kettlefish" album http://www.myspace.com/kettlefish also, they've uploaded 192kbps mp3's, available here: http://kettlefishfarm.com/ mastering was done at a local mastering house- Giles Reaves did it for us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Reaves they list their influences as follows: The Doors // Alice in Chains // Days of the New // Pink Floyd i guess that's pretty close. here's a link to the original post, about the recording session...
post edited by batsbrew - 2009/05/15 10:17:08
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/10 12:25:23
(permalink)
well, since there's no traction on this topic, maybe i'll throw some TECHNIQUE'y things in here: let's see, details....... that'd be mostly from memory, and my memory is not the best these days.. ok, round one. mixing- routing, i typically don't send anything to the 'MASTER' buss, i create new stereo sub mix busses, and break everything out to those, and those get routed to the MASTER, and the MASTER gets routed to the MAINS. reason: i do all my automation on mixdown (every track gets a volume envelope, plus i do moving pans, so i place pan envelopes on key tracks, such as electric solos and keyboard solos). if i paint myself in a corner with levels, and don't want to go back to edit 28 volume envelopes (!!!! LOL, it happens)-- then i can go to my sub mix busses, apply grouping control, and pull the whole lot down fractions of DB's, til i get my master level where i want it (typically -5db max on peaks) very easily, without changing the mix very much at all. it's so nice, to have the guys come in near the end, listen to my mix, say 'not enough drums', and i just pull all the submixes down except the drums, and have instant mix fixes! in general, overheads getted their own buss, the rest of the drums get routed to a buss, acoustic guitars to a buss, vox to a buss, bass and electric guitars and keys (and anything else i need) to a single 'music' buss, then there are typically 3 effects busses, one for drums, one for vox, one for guitars. all these busses, are routed to the mains. each buss except effects busses, gets a compressor, settings vary wildly, but typically, it's subtle. effects are always send/return for reverbs and delays, and get routed to a individualized effects buss. individual channels get appropriate EQ, ala sonitus (my favorites still), compression if required, in the effects bin (again, i favor the sonitus effects), and effects sends for reverb/delay/whatever to the effects busses. i blend in what i need from there. DRUMS: i can say that, in general, after the first session, and getting drum tracks, i spent quite a bit of time 'cleaning up' the drum tracks for bleed thru- it made a HUGE improvement in the sound, getting rid of ambient bleed off the tracks. all drums, get routed to a DRUM BUSS. the two overheads, got routed to their very own OVERHEAD BUSS, as well, so i could compress it seperately of the rest of the kit. since we didn't have any gates available when capturing the raw tracks, we relied on close micing, and low signals, to reduce the bleed thru... i used the noise removal processing from the track menu in sonar, to get rid of a lot of the obvious bleed-thru between hits on the snare, kick, and toms, but left the overheads and hi hats alone. i did spot removal on those tracks where it was appropriate, but it becomes obvious when you cut audio out of the overheads and hi hats, because you hear the drop out of the noise floor, it's just weird sounding. in noisy sections, i could pull certain things out, and you wouldn't notice, i did that on a situation by situation decision. on mixdown, i applied gating, compression, eq, sometimes reverb on the snare, sometimes dry, sometimes reverb on the overheads, and almost always compression on the overheads. panning was typically closer to center with the left to right toms and overheads, than hard left and right, tho on a couple of songs, i spread it out quite a bit. ACOUSTICS: i ran two acoustic tracks for each performance: one direct via LL Baggs bridge pickup, and one live mic (at4033). i blended these different on every song- typically i throw them both either left or right, but sometimes spread them out left and right. effects varied from song to song. the DI track was eq'd heavily to get rid of the Piezo quack, and the live mic eq'd to get rid of boom. Electrics: variation here, but primarily a Epiphone Les Paul or a USACG custom TELE into a Fender Supersonic combo, or my own rig, a Mesa Boogie mark2b thru a Avatar vintage 112 cab. the Fender was miced at volume, using a 57, and also a Palmer PDI-09 was used to capture a direct line as well. those two tracks were blended together at mixdown, sometimes paired up, sometimes panned opposite. Bass: Fender jazz active 5 string, thru a sansamp bass di, split to a Boss Bass pedal, one of those GT varieties, and those two were blended and centered. lots of eq and compression schemes were used on these tracks, it varied from song to song. the strange vocodor effect on "One Horse Town", all came directly from the bass pedal, driven by the bass track. Keys- these were recorded direct, at the keyboard player's studio, so i wasn't really involved in any of those 'captures'. i had to do significant eq on these tracks, they came to me 'dark', and not very hot. i re-gained a few of these tracks, and brightened them up a bit. on certain synth parts, i doubled the tracks, split them left and right, pulled the cloned track off a few milliseconds, just to fatten them up. i did this sparingly. vox- ok, we auditioned 6 microphones on vox, and the one we ended up using was the Shure KSM44. excellent mic, especially since the singer Chad, can peel paint off the wall with his voice. :: we built a vocal booth out of 4" polyiso, lined it with auralex panels, and stuck a lava lamp in there for good measure! LOL vox mic was run into several preamps, including the A Designs Audio MP-1, ART DPS, and MAudio ProjectMix I/O. a dbx compressor was used to gently color the tracking input. on mixdown, i used the VC-64 on all vocal tracks, and used parallel compression, and parallel eq. effects varied from song to song.
|
hairyjamie
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 947
- Joined: 2008/01/23 12:14:43
- Location: Scotland
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/15 10:05:59
(permalink)
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/15 10:19:54
(permalink)
HEY HAIRY! here's a good link: FOLLOW UP THREAD: I engineered, mixed and produced the new "Kettlefish" album http://www.myspace.com/kettlefish also, they've uploaded 192kbps mp3's, available here: http://kettlefishfarm.com/ sorry about those links, a couple of them went south.. i fixed the ones above, and in the other thread. the IAC was an early mix, but these links here in this reply, are of the final product. the myspace player sounds like ASS, and they truncate the songs when they uploaded them, i think the downloadable ones are good to go, and probably sound better....
|
hairyjamie
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 947
- Joined: 2008/01/23 12:14:43
- Location: Scotland
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/15 11:14:22
(permalink)
ORIGINAL: batsbrew HEY HAIRY! here's a good link: <snip> the myspace player sounds like ASS, and they truncate the songs when they uploaded them, i think the downloadable ones are good to go, and probably sound better.... Hey Bat, thanks for posting those links Thats some good stuff the guys have going on there, I definetely echo the Morrison comments - although in the genre its more reminiscent of Ian Astbury (who we all know is a Morrison wannabe anyway!) . I was also picking up on the cash influence on 'Prime', which as you say is no bad thing! Maybe even a Nickleback vibe coming in at points? Only one comment to make really about the performances, is it just me or on 'One Horse Town' does the piano seem a bit over-quantised in the intro? Its lost a bit of feel in the process I think, of course I could be talking out of my ar$e , there could be no quantisation and the keyboard player is just really proficient! Excellent production throughout - did I see you mention you use a ProjectMix I/O? EDIT: PS - I know what you mean about MySpace, awful, awful, awful!
post edited by hairyjamie - 2009/05/15 11:25:21
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/15 11:42:51
(permalink)
hairyjamie thanks for listening.. keys: i don't know about quantizing of anything.... it's straight recorded, direct from the keyboard into the soundcard, so there's nothing but actual playing being recorded. the weird synth noise thing, is actually a synth pad being played by the bass player, coming from his Roland floor pedal... it's a strange lo-fi thing that he programmed specificallyl to sound the way it does.. we didn't double tracks, or do anything studio tricky with this, other than lead overdubs and stuff like that.... we DID use the project mix I/O for some of the tracking.... elec guitar tracks, some vox, a couple of acoustic tracks... but for the most part, it was single takes into 1 or 2 mics, and 1 or 2 mic preamps, direct to convertor and/or soundcard. the drums were all captured thru the A & H board, direct to an Alesis HD24, then everybody came back and re-did their parts one by one, overdubbing to the cleaned up drum tracks from the first session. thanks again for listening!
post edited by batsbrew - 2009/05/15 11:52:47
|
hairyjamie
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 947
- Joined: 2008/01/23 12:14:43
- Location: Scotland
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/15 11:55:52
(permalink)
ORIGINAL: batsbrew keys: i don't know about quantizing of anything.... it's straight recorded, direct from the keyboard into the soundcard, so there's nothing but actual playing being recorded. Well there you have it - I am talking out of my ar$e PS - checked out Trouble too, that is some fantastic music you're making there!
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/18 17:49:28
(permalink)
|
gordonrussell76
Max Output Level: -56.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1879
- Joined: 2006/12/15 05:28:08
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/19 08:53:54
(permalink)
Hey I love Gonzo recording. http://www.myspace.com/thehookz Check out Pursuit of Happiness (my personal Favorite) that and all the other live sounding songs on our myspace were recorded in 4 hours. Equipment used Motu 828mkII Focusrite Octepre Alto Headphone amp $200 Drum mic kit (used a tom mic on the guitar amp, kick mic on bass amp) Audio Technica Kick mic purpose bought to free up the existing kick mic for bass duties) Rehearsl studio vocal mics Rehearsal Studio Amps We spent the first hour throwing up the mics and getting levels. We had kick, snare and 2 overheads on the drums, a mic in front of both the guitar and bass amps, and both guitar and bass were Di's, the vocals mic were handheld dynamics sm58 type jobbies. We all had Headphone mixs courtesy of a headphone amp. We then recorded 13 songs in 2.5 hours, and spent the last 30 minutes breaking everything down. We ended up with 10 usable songs for a 'live' demo so we could get some live gigs (we had had comments that our EP was too produced) I think they came out dame well given the time and equipment constraints, although I am obviously biased :) G
|
batsbrew
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10037
- Joined: 2007/06/07 16:02:32
- Location: SL,UT
- Status: offline
RE: gonzo's garage-records' guerilla recording session
2009/05/19 11:30:23
(permalink)
yeah, gordon, recording this way was fun for sure, and an excellent method of learning fast! i call it, trial by fire.
|