Meagainok
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guitars out of sync
Hoping someone can help! When I record the first guitar track with metronome, it works fine. Then when I turn the metronome off for the second track and play in time with the first, when I play it back it's all over the place. To fix this for now I mute the first track and play with the metronome again but this eventually goes out of sync as the song gets longer! I'm running brand new HP laptop with 2.4GHZ, 2GB RAM (which I'm gonna upgrade to 4GB), M-AUdio PREUSB (using those drivers). Latency is set to 120MS on MC5 and 128MS on M-Audio which is the lowest setting for that driver (which is the latest driver they have for 64 Windows 7). I have unistalled nearly every program and the CPU is running at only 2-4% during recording so that doesn't seem to be an issue. Someone suggested running an external hard drive and read/write the music files from that. Will that help?
post edited by Meagainok - 2011/04/03 23:55:01
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 02:36:16
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What are "those drivers" you're using? Are they ASIO? If not, dl the ASIO drivers from the M-Audios site. And do note that ASIO4ALL is not the same as ASIO.
The latencies you mention can not be milliseconds but samples. I don't remember how the samples correlate to milliseconds, but about max. 12 ms latency is OK for recording.
Is it really a single core CPU you have? Hard to believe that a new 64 bit/W7 machine could have a single core CPU.
Uninstalling programs will not help in your problem, just take care of that there are no other programs running while you record.
It's recommended to have a separate HDD for audio and samples, but I doubt it (alone)could solve this problem.
Is your M-Audio selected as both Record and Playback Timing master?
Whether you monitor through M-Audio or MC might have something to do with this as well, but as I don't know M-Audio at all I don't start guessing.
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 02:53:42
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its not your hard drive..its your drivers or lack there of..your soundcard..either update those drivers or change your buffer settings...make sure your driver is selected in the preference menu...yes what are "those drivers?"
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Meagainok
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 03:06:31
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Hi, thanks for the response. No the CPU is Intel core i3. The drivers I am running are the M-Audio ones that came with the audio interface and I belive they may be better than ASIO?
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Meagainok
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 03:08:02
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Oh, and yes I am inputing and outputing through the M-audio devices through the recording tracks... Guitar goes into amp > amp into audio interface (M-audio), then usb's back into laptop.
post edited by Meagainok - 2011/04/04 03:14:03
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 05:17:31
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Meagainok
The drivers I am running are the M-Audio ones that came with the audio interface and I belive they may be better than ASIO?
So what are the drivers for G**s sake?? ASIO is the most recommended driver type because it's designed for low latency DAW-work. WDM can work equally well on some systems. It's not 100% sure the drivers that came with your soundcard are the newest ones. They may have been written a year or two ago. Make sure you got the updated ones. And I did not ask what the inputs and outputs are, but whether M-Audio is selected as both Record and Playback timing master in the Options-dialogue or not. Make sure the integrated soundchip is NOT selected anywhere in Options. (I assume it's called "Options-dialogue" in MC as well as SONAR).
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Meagainok
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 05:52:13
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OK gonna give ASIO a try. They were set to MME (32). The options for MC5 is options > audio. Cheers.
post edited by Meagainok - 2011/04/04 06:22:35
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Meagainok
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 06:15:10
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I have profiled the drivers etc in the program and they come up ok. I'm running way above the specs so thanks.
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chuckebaby
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 07:35:09
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Kalle Rantaaho
Meagainok
The drivers I am running are the M-Audio ones that came with the audio interface and I belive they may be better than ASIO?
So what are the drivers for G**s sake?? ASIO is the most recommended driver type because it's designed for low latency DAW-work. WDM can work equally well on some systems.
It's not 100% sure the drivers that came with your soundcard are the newest ones. They may have been written a year or two ago. Make sure you got the updated ones.
And I did not ask what the inputs and outputs are, but whether M-Audio is selected as both Record and Playback timing master in the Options-dialogue or not. Make sure the integrated soundchip is NOT selected anywhere in Options. (I assume it's called "Options-dialogue" in MC as well as SONAR).
haaaa..so what are "those drivers"...better than asio hu?..we kidding here..got to have fun..listen to kalle here he knows alot and he helps out alot here..trust him.
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 07:36:43
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 07:39:59
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ASIO is the best driver to use... everything else is less then optimal compared to ASIO.
set the sampling rate to 44.1khz and bit depth to 16 or 24 (16 is OK but 24 is better)
Set the latency as low as you can get it and still run a stable platform. You might need to experiment a bit. My latency is as low as the fader will let me go. Running a nice interface on ASIO, you should be able to run near or at the lowest levels as well.
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Meagainok
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/04 19:10:59
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Thanks everyone!
So...those drivers (d'oh!) that came with M-Audio were in fact ASIO but the options automatically set the drivers to MME (Windows I believe). So now when I set them in the input/output I have something like M-Audio ASIO to choose from.
I couldn't answer the techo questions cos I'm sitting here at work. Went home and sussed it all out.
Thanks again peeps:-)
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Re:guitars out of sync
2011/04/05 00:19:59
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Yeah. The first time you opened MC the Wave Profiler ran and probably automatically chose MME, unless you changed it.
MME is the slowest driver.
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