hardware synth - software FX?

• route the MIDI track to a MIDI OUT port
• connect that port to MIDI IN on your synth
• connect the audio output of your synth to an input on your sound card/interface
• route that input to a new audio track
• apply effects on that track.

ULTRABRA


Thanks for the tip.  It kind of worked - I do hear the delay - but also there is a loss of quality .... if I turn the delay off altogther, I get a sound not exactly like the original.  Like 2 are being played back together almost ... 

Wookiee


Press the "Input echo on" button on the synths audio track

ULTRABRA


Thanks for your help here.

I seem to have got it working using the Input Monitoring in Sonar, but MUTING the output on the soundcard mixer.

No idea why that would work but ... now I seem to have just the monitor sound ... well, confused, but ... it does seem to work 

hgj1357


You can also freeze a midi track into an audio track. Then you can apply any FX you want, of course you can't edit it (with un-freeze, edit and re-freeze)

ULTRABRA


Thanks guys for the feedback.  My problem did seem to be like you say, I was monitoring both though Sonar, AND through the soundcard.   Still don't understand the d*****d soundcard (!), but at least now I got to do what I set out to do :-)

Mystic38

ULTRABRA


Thanks guys for the feedback.  My problem did seem to be like you say, I was monitoring both though Sonar, AND through the soundcard.   Still don't understand the d*****d soundcard (!), but at least now I got to do what I set out to do :-)

essentially you just dont need that cuemix when you run Sonar.. its a standalone application for routing and fx.. so when working on a project in sonar, disable it.. when simply playing with your gear..use it.

ULTRABRA


Oh ... so I can run Sonar without the CueMix ... oh, how I would LOVE to turn the thing off :-)    But, isn't it controlling the overall output level from the soundcard, if I disabled it (I don't even know HOW to disable it?!), would I be able to hear any sound at all?? 

Mystic38

ULTRABRA


Thanks guys for the feedback.  My problem did seem to be like you say, I was monitoring both though Sonar, AND through the soundcard.   Still don't understand the d*****d soundcard (!), but at least now I got to do what I set out to do :-)

essentially you just dont need that cuemix when you run Sonar.. its a standalone application for routing and fx.. so when working on a project in sonar, disable it.. when simply playing with your gear..use it.

robert_e_bone


I am a little confused by your explanation on why you want to monitor before recording the midi.

I understand that adding effects changes how you play notes, as you shape the placement of attack on the processed signal through the effects, so that as you used in example a delay, that when you hit the next notes on your keyboard are going to be subjectively done based on you listening to the processed sound with the applied exxect.

I hope I explained that so that it makes sense.

If the above is correct, then by adding effects into the FX bin for the audio track, those are not actually recorded - just the synth signal from your keyboard is actually recorded, but you still get to hear the sound as you are playing combined with any effects that were added to the FX bin.

That is one of the brilliant things about recording just the raw unprocessed signal, same goes for guitars that use Guitar Rig as an FX bin effect - you can change presets all you want after the fact, for you that would be effects (or you could actually run the keyboard signal through an amp modeler like Guitar Rig too).

It is only on final mix that Sonar would permanently apply any effects to that audio, on its way eventually a mixed master.

I hope I said anything that 1) makes sense, 2) matters, and 3) helps.

Bob Bone