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have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10?

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/02 11:01:54 (permalink)
 
Hi,
A Pro 800 (current product) currently does not work in Win10. Allegedly drivers are "under testing"
I'm hoping this is a very poorly worded suggestion that the drivers are being worked on. However the latest legend on their website suggests otherwise.
Roland driver advice seems to imply that they cannot be bothered to make their devices compatible.
Roland appear to have stuck two fingers up at their customers, and I hope they lose most of them if this attitude continues:
Note the legends, no suggestion of drivers in development
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
 
Quote:
"Legend
Yes: Compatible Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition
 
Limited: Limited compatibility Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition with limited operation
 
No: No plan for compatible version
We are sorry but we have no plan to make it compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition"
 
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/02 16:20:07 (permalink)
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Hi,
A Pro 800 (current product) currently does not work in Win10. Allegedly drivers are "under testing"
I'm hoping this is a very poorly worded suggestion that the drivers are being worked on. However the latest legend on their website suggests otherwise.
Roland driver advice seems to imply that they cannot be bothered to make their devices compatible.
Roland appear to have stuck two fingers up at their customers, and I hope they lose most of them if this attitude continues:
Note the legends, no suggestion of drivers in development
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
 
Quote:
"Legend
Yes: Compatible Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition
 
Limited: Limited compatibility Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition with limited operation
 
No: No plan for compatible version
We are sorry but we have no plan to make it compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition"
 

I just installed Win 10 and now this ?? Oh well now if I only can find my old midi cable :-))
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/02 16:36:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob James G 2015/08/05 11:17:26
Rob, have you really tested that it does not work as a control surface in SONAR? I am almost sure it should work as MIDI keyboard in Standard mode (see page 65 in the manual). It can be some milliseconds slower (it at all, I have not managed to notice the difference with my A500S), but it is using standard drivers in this case. Many boards (Launchkey for example) have no "special" mode/driver at all and it seems like people are still happy.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/02 16:45:42 (permalink)
I have seen a link from this forum to roland website saying a pro win 10 compatibility is under testing. I can't seems to get to that page from the search box in rolandus.com site. However, if you go to their produce page the a pro series are still current products on sale. So I am hoping that the win driver will be out soon.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/02 17:10:13 (permalink)
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Rob, have you really tested that it does not work as a control surface in SONAR? I am almost sure it should work as MIDI keyboard in Standard mode (see page 65 in the manual). It can be some milliseconds slower (it at all, I have not managed to notice the difference with my A500S), but it is using standard drivers in this case. Many boards (Launchkey for example) have no "special" mode/driver at all and it seems like people are still happy.




I haven't tried that, I am not bothered particularly about that functionality. Though I have seen comments from people complaining about the functionality in Sonar I have not tested this for myself.
 
Much, much more important is getting it to work at all in Win10.
Currently the drivers stall during install, as do several other Roland drivers it seems.
I would add a link to the Win10 driver status but this site wont let me.
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 04:03:52 (permalink)

A-PRO Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR : Sorry but it is out of support.

So, the question is either these devices work without Roland drivers and with (no longer supported) Roland Sonar plug-in. My guess it should work. But someone has to test that.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 05:26:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob James G 2015/08/05 11:16:41
Yes. Thank you rob james. Read the manual at pages 65 and 73. There is a different driver that most of us are not aware of. At sonar midi preferance where you choose your controller, choose the a-pro3(something like that). I had so far tested the start and stop button only.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 06:21:22 (permalink)
Thanks for that Musichoo, maybe worth looking into for some.
I have reverted to Windows 7 for the time being as this is my main keyboard.
I don't want to rely on crippled drivers and the manual makes it pretty clear that's what you get.
 
I would be interested in your further investigation though. If it responds quickly with no extra latency, all sliders, pads and pot's, and most especially after-touch work equally smoothly then maybe it would be worth looking at.
Roland make no notes of this in the compatibility notes, I would expect them to offer this as a workaround if the performance is respectable. 
 
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 06:21:44 (permalink)

 

Current state of play:

MIDI Keyboard Controller

Model name Hardware & Driver Exclusive Software Remarks A-300PRO A-500PRO A-800PRO Under testing No Exclusive Software:            
  • A-PRO Editor : Sorry but it is out of support.
  • A-PRO Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR : Sorry but it is out of support.
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 07:15:43 (permalink)
Just did a short test. The transport worked. It seems like ACT is no longer working. Faders are hardwired to volume and knobs to pan.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 11:28:12 (permalink)
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Hi,
A Pro 800 (current product) currently does not work in Win10. Allegedly drivers are "under testing"
I'm hoping this is a very poorly worded suggestion that the drivers are being worked on. However the latest legend on their website suggests otherwise.
Roland driver advice seems to imply that they cannot be bothered to make their devices compatible.
Roland appear to have stuck two fingers up at their customers, and I hope they lose most of them if this attitude continues:
Note the legends, no suggestion of drivers in development
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
 


The short answer is it's not quite ready yet. Until the drivers are ready everything writen above can be regarded as pure speculation.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 16:45:41 (permalink)
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Hi,
A Pro 800 (current product) currently does not work in Win10. Allegedly drivers are "under testing"
I'm hoping this is a very poorly worded suggestion that the drivers are being worked on. However the latest legend on their website suggests otherwise.
Roland driver advice seems to imply that they cannot be bothered to make their devices compatible.
Roland appear to have stuck two fingers up at their customers, and I hope they lose most of them if this attitude continues:
Note the legends, no suggestion of drivers in development
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
 


The short answer is it's not quite ready yet. Until the drivers are ready everything writen above can be regarded as pure speculation.

 
Hi,
The driver is still under testing, however the A Pro Editor/control plugin software is already history as far as Win10 is concerned.
Read their own statement. 
 
 
Roland Latest:
MIDI Keyboard Controller
Model name Hardware& Driver Exclusive Software Remarks A-300PRO A-500PRO A-800 PRO Under testing No Exclusive Software:            
  • A-PRO Editor : Sorry but it is out of support.
  • A-PRO Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR : Sorry but it is out of support.
  • Hardware and driver "Under Testing"
  • Exclusive software: No (for the meaning of "NO" read the Roland legend on same page, copy and pasted below):  
No: No plan for compatible version We are sorry but we have no plan to make it compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition
 
 
 
post edited by Rob James G - 2015/08/03 16:52:53
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 16:59:26 (permalink)
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Just did a short test. The transport worked. It seems like ACT is no longer working. Faders are hardwired to volume and knobs to pan.

Cheers I tried the special "normal mode" in Windows 7. I could get some programs to take CC mapping others would not. All the programs in question take CC mapping with the proper Roland driver.
Hopefully they will have that working soon.
Presumably this cut down "normal mode" works the same in Win10 as Win7?
 
A real shame that they aren't going to make the rest of the software work. They should be obliged to make the driver work though, as it is still a current product.  
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 17:09:44 (permalink)
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Just did a short test. The transport worked. It seems like ACT is no longer working. Faders are hardwired to volume and knobs to pan.

Cheers I tried the special "normal mode" in Windows 7. I could get some programs to take CC mapping others would not. All the programs in question take CC mapping with the proper Roland driver.
Hopefully they will have that working soon.
Presumably this cut down "normal mode" works the same in Win10 as Win7?
 
A real shame that they aren't going to make the rest of the software work. They should be obliged to make the driver work though, as it is still a current product.  



Again the driver has not been released, you are probably using the MS driver. I've never found a use with the other software, esp when using Sonar.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 17:51:17 (permalink)
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musichoo
Just did a short test. The transport worked. It seems like ACT is no longer working. Faders are hardwired to volume and knobs to pan.

Cheers I tried the special "normal mode" in Windows 7. I could get some programs to take CC mapping others would not. All the programs in question take CC mapping with the proper Roland driver.
Hopefully they will have that working soon.
Presumably this cut down "normal mode" works the same in Win10 as Win7?
 
A real shame that they aren't going to make the rest of the software work. They should be obliged to make the driver work though, as it is still a current product.  



Again the driver has not been released, you are probably using the MS driver. I've never found a use with the other software, esp when using Sonar.




You really shouldn't reply without reading posts in the thread properly first. This is an unfortunate mix of ignorance and arrogance.
 
You'll make yourself look rather silly.
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 18:25:09 (permalink)
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Rob, have you really tested that it does not work as a control surface in SONAR? I am almost sure it should work as MIDI keyboard in Standard mode (see page 65 in the manual). It can be some milliseconds slower (it at all, I have not managed to notice the difference with my A500S), but it is using standard drivers in this case. Many boards (Launchkey for example) have no "special" mode/driver at all and it seems like people are still happy.


Cheers Azlow3, I didn't credit you with pointing this out first. Musichoo tested this and I tested it in Win 7.
You can see my finding (so far) in the thread.
Loathed to go back to Win10 to test this. I will wait for Roland's test results with their driver developments.
I hope they do come up with a proper driver so that CC mapping works every time in soft synths. I expect they are doing this, though why on Earth this wasn't available at the Win10 launch when millions of people had already been using Win10 preview and they have had access for many months now we'll never know.
 
At least this is a fall back option. :)
post edited by Rob James G - 2015/08/03 18:31:39
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 20:51:50 (permalink)
We will just have to wait Roland come out with their drivers. Honestly I had hardy use the accompanying software or plugins. The win10 driver will do for me.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 20:57:29 (permalink)
I will be happy enough if Roland bring out a proper Win10 driver too. Fingers crossed.
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/03 23:03:16 (permalink)
I'm a bit confused with Roland's status for the A-Pro series. They say that the driver is under investigation but they also say that there's no support for the A-Pro editor or as a control surface for Sonar. I thought that was what the driver was for. WTF?

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 04:06:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob James G 2015/08/05 11:18:38
The driver is what makes the board looks like MIDI devices (really 3 MIDI devices). The editor and Sonar plug-in are using generic MIDI devices for communication, plug-in does not even using it directly, it sends/receive information to Sonar, which in turn send/receive it to/from the board (throw the driver).
 
They had to work hard to make the software incompatible with Windows 10. It will work, but it is just "no longer supported".
 
I guess the only visible difference between Roland drivers and generic USB-MIDI is default mapping. This mapping is configurable (with the editor or on device) and so it should be possible to make it work correctly. But since Roland is already "testing" new drivers, there is no need for that.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 16:19:48 (permalink)
Ok ,I got my A-Pro 800 apro_w81d_v102 drivers installed in Win 10 after reading this thread
 http://forum.cakewalk.com/How-to-use-V700-win-8-driver-in-win-10-m3206046.aspx
and everything works perfectly :-)
After reading that thread I thought this may work for the A-Pro installers and it did !!
All the best
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 19:10:44 (permalink)
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You really shouldn't reply without reading posts in the thread properly first. This is an unfortunate mix of ignorance and arrogance.
 
You'll make yourself look rather silly.


When you come up with rude statements like that you should really explain yourself. What part of .. 'Official Roland drivers are not released yet' do you not understand and what is my supposed arrogance and ignorance?

From memory I don't even think the rest of the software works properly in windows 8, and it certainly isn't required for Sonar, just drivers, the act software is embedded inside Sonar. I've never needed to install it (as I've already said) and it works fine in Sonar/windows 8 just fine. From that I could assume it could work just fine in Windows 10 once official drivers are out (but I'm not making assumptions). Apparently it's working fine with a hack.

Pray please do enlighten my ignorent stupidy. If I have made a mistake I would prefer to know what it is rather than be insulted... Many thanks...
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 19:51:01 (permalink)
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Rob James G
You really shouldn't reply without reading posts in the thread properly first. This is an unfortunate mix of ignorance and arrogance.
 
You'll make yourself look rather silly.


When you come up with rude statements like that you should really explain yourself. What part of .. 'Official Roland drivers are not released yet' do you not understand and what is my supposed arrogance and ignorance?

From memory I don't even think the rest of the software works properly in windows 8, and it certainly isn't required for Sonar, the act software is embedded inside Sonar. I've never needed to install it and it works fine in Sonar/windows 8 just fine.

Pray please do enlighten my ignorent stupidy. If I have made a mistake I would prefer to know what it is rather than be insulted... Many thanks...



I should explain myself?
You immediately piled in with a response which didn't make sense within the context of the thread. If only you could bother to read the rest of the posts you would understand.
 
Never mind reading a whopping whole page though before making comments out of context again.
 
All you need to know is that Roland is working on a new driver but has dropped support for the extra software  (A-Pro editor and control surface for Sonar). The new driver is still "under testing".
 Meanwhile some forums (here and elsewhere) users have modified the Win8 drivers to get them working in 10, 
 in advance of proper drivers from Roland. 
So there are now at least two ways to get it working now in Win 10 before official driver support is completed.
Modified drivers and switching the keyboard to "normal mode" from the standard "advanced mode". This is described in the manual and discussed in this thread.   
 
Roland have upset a lot of their customers by dropping support for several other devices altogether and dropping support for the extra software on A-800.
At least we can help some users to get their now completely unsupported keyboards working with the generic "normal mode" driver. I have done this already.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:06:14 (permalink)
Doktor,
I mean to be helpful, you clearly mean to be helpful too.
Let's try to live by your slogan.
 
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:12:37 (permalink)
Again I wrote earlier I don't think the additional software is required for act, it is embedded in Sonar. I don't even believe the additional software even works well in windows 8. All you need is the official Roland drivers which are under testing (which will obviously be released at some stage). So what exactly is there to be upset about? Are you saying what I am saying is incorrect?

Otherwise (again) what on earth are you taking issue with?

I wrote a response in the context of what you wrote below. I directly quoted you.

Rob James G
 
Hi,
A Pro 800 (current product) currently does not work in Win10. Allegedly drivers are "under testing"
I'm hoping this is a very poorly worded suggestion that the drivers are being worked on. However the latest legend on their website suggests otherwise.
Roland driver advice seems to imply that they cannot be bothered to make their devices compatible.
Roland appear to have stuck two fingers up at their customers, and I hope they lose most of them if this attitude continues:
Note the legends, no suggestion of drivers in development
Google this:  Roland support news 250024
 
Quote:
"Legend
Yes: Compatible Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition
 
Limited: Limited compatibility Compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition with limited operation
 
No: No plan for compatible version
We are sorry but we have no plan to make it compatible with Windows(R) 10 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition"
 

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:14:32 (permalink)
Rob James G
Doktor,
I mean to be helpful, you clearly mean to be helpful too.
Let's try to live by your slogan.
 


Then please don't tell people they are ignorent and arrogant, and then fail to pinpoint exactly what it is they are supposed ignorent and arrogant about. That is not peace and love. Many thanks.

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:23:16 (permalink)
Doktor Avalanche
Rob James G
Doktor,
I mean to be helpful, you clearly mean to be helpful too.
Let's try to live by your slogan.
 


Then please don't tell people they are ignorent and arrogant, and then fail to pinpoint exactly what it is they are supposed ignorent and arrogant about. That is not peace and love. Many thanks.

 
Still on the attack?
I give up. Read the whole thread properly, or not.
Peace be with you.   
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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:28:11 (permalink)
I'm not the one on the attack, I'm on the defence. You called me ignorant and arrogant. I haven't called you any names or insulted you in any way. I think all I did was clarify that you might be under a misunderstanding here and this was your response.

I've asked you three times now what you have taken issue with and you don't seem to want to supply a direct answer probably because you can't.

Never mind..

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Re: have anyone tested a pro300/500/900 with win10? 2015/08/04 20:44:59 (permalink)
You started on the attack, your first post in this thread was attack.
Your second post (on the attack again) proved you weren't interested in following the thread properly but you still felt like attempting to undermine what I was saying.
If you want any further explanation you should read the thread from the top, it's not long.
 
Now in the words of Dave Allen "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you." 
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